Re: What More could Dirrell Have done
I think its easy to sit here and say what these guys could have done better, but Dirrel fought a really awkward guy and did pretty well, I think he could have thrown more punches, but once again, we aren't in there, and there is a reason Froch has been so effective up to this point in his career. I think Dirrell fought a guy who is super hard to box because Froch is an ok counter puncher, he comes in wildly, and he's extremely effective on the inside while Dirrell is anyhting but an inside fighter.
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To me rounds 11 and 12 were clear Dirrel rounds. Early rounds maybe not as clear but 11 and 12 especially 11 were clearly dirrels
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JazMerkin
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I thought he won clearly but are you being serious? He could have just done more. Period. He spent too much time grabbing and not enough punching. He was on the road and he had at least one judge that was bought or somehow influenced (the guy that scored the 11th for Froch, I mean come on that's just corruption, there's no other explanation) and at times he did just enough to win rounds when sometimes you have to know that you have to do more than that, don't leave any questions, don't let an incompetent judge say yeah but Froch was coming forward. It was a bit Clottey-esque.
This. I thought Dirrell won comfortably, but if he'd just put the effort he put into the last 2 1/2 rounds into the rest of the fight, no one would be able to dispute it & he might well have KO'd Froch
(although I'm convinced the European judges would have still found a way to give it to Froch).
The Belgian judge Daniel Van de Wiele recently scored against Witter costing him his "world" title on a Hennessy promotion.
So you think Mick made sure he gave him enough dough this time? ;)
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The Boxer
Ok the obvious answer is KO Froch but seriouly what more could the man have done.
1.He made Froch miss and miss badly at times.
2.Used the ring effectivley
3.Landed the cleaner shots.
4.Not sure of the punch stats but to me it appeared that Dirrel landed more shots.
5. He hurt Froch.
6. He clearly frustrated Froch. This is indicated by the body slam and rabbit punches.
SO WHAT MORE DO PEOPLE WANT FROM DIRREl?
He could have fought like a man and not a big girls blouse. If you were from Showtime you would regret putting him in the tournament as he's going to stink the joint out everytime he boxes.
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SEANIE
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The Boxer
Ok the obvious answer is KO Froch but seriouly what more could the man have done.
1.He made Froch miss and miss badly at times.
2.Used the ring effectivley
3.Landed the cleaner shots.
4.Not sure of the punch stats but to me it appeared that Dirrel landed more shots.
5. He hurt Froch.
6. He clearly frustrated Froch. This is indicated by the body slam and rabbit punches.
SO WHAT MORE DO PEOPLE WANT FROM DIRREl?
He could have fought like a man and not a big girls blouse. If you were from Showtime you would regret putting him in the tournament as he's going to stink the joint out everytime he boxes.
Save silly comments like that for the hidden forum.
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Well he does have a point.
If Dirrell hadn't kept moaning, holding and collapsing to the floor and moaning and holding, he would have probably got the decision.
He gave off the aura of a losing man.
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A- Not run around like a headless chicken for 12rounds
B- Stayed on his feet for more than 30 seconds
C- Stopped bitching to the ref everytime froch roughed him up
D- Actually engage in a boxing contest rather than fob everyone off for 12rounds and look to get a decision on points
E- Win more than the 4 clear rounds he only one
F- Actually win the fight which he clearly didnt!!
1st time i scored it........well i didnt i was too drunk
2nd time i had it 114-113 froch
3rd and 4th time viewing it i had it 115-112 froch on both occasions
dirrell lost, the better all round fighter won, stop bitching and look forward to seeing him take another beating once abraham gets hold of him!
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Froch is a lucky man. He could have EASILY have lost his last three fights. I thought Dirrell won and the ironic thing is, if Dirrell would have stood and traded with Froch I thought he could have knocked him out. Froch is no big-hitter.
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....i think back to his last couple of fights and say that's what he could have done. Look for direll never fighting anyone, going to that crazy ass arena, getting used to the time change enviroment etc.....he did pretty good. Seems like he was really concerned with getting tired towards the end and was real real conservative with his punches and risk taking. He's never fought no where near 12 rounds before and seeing what happened to taylor again i think that might have even worried him more. Most think he did do enough to win. He hit, didn't really get hit, hurt froch, withstood bullshit ref'ing and was taken an unjust point. Dude did fine. Froch won that fight before either of them even got to the ring. Judges proved that. That's why you leave it out of thier hands in that situation at all costs.
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JazMerkin
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OumaFan
I thought he won clearly but are you being serious? He could have just done more. Period. He spent too much time grabbing and not enough punching. He was on the road and he had at least one judge that was bought or somehow influenced (the guy that scored the 11th for Froch, I mean come on that's just corruption, there's no other explanation) and at times he did just enough to win rounds when sometimes you have to know that you have to do more than that, don't leave any questions, don't let an incompetent judge say yeah but Froch was coming forward. It was a bit Clottey-esque.
This. I thought Dirrell won comfortably, but if he'd just put the effort he put into the last 2 1/2 rounds into the rest of the fight, no one would be able to dispute it & he might well have KO'd Froch
(although I'm convinced the European judges would have still found a way to give it to Froch).
The Belgian judge Daniel Van de Wiele recently scored against Witter costing him his "world" title on a Hennessy promotion.
So you think Mick made sure he gave him enough dough this time? ;)
Yes I do ;D
That fight was far wider than the scorecards suggested, interesting how both Barrovecchio & Van de Wiele have been on a number of Hennessy cards though ;)
We also know which of Witter & Froch are worth more, especially in Nottingham.
Don't get me wrong, I think if Gary Shaw had significant clout in Europe, they'd happily swing it his way. But he doesn't, so Hennessy's boys get the breaks. Same as Golden Boy & Top Rank fighters often getting favourable scorecards when against fighters without major promoters. Berto might as well leave if the fight with Mosley in January is at all close because he ain't getting that decision against a GBP fighter in the States.
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A- Not run around like a headless chicken for 12rounds
B- Stayed on his feet for more than 30 seconds
C- Stopped bitching to the ref everytime froch roughed him up
D- Actually engage in a boxing contest rather than fob everyone off for 12rounds and look to get a decision on points
E- Win more than the 4 clear rounds he only one
F- Actually win the fight which he clearly didnt!!
1st time i scored it........well i didnt i was too drunk
2nd time i had it 114-113 froch
3rd and 4th time viewing it i had it 115-112 froch on both occasions
dirrell lost, the better all round fighter won, stop bitching and look forward to seeing him take another beating once abraham gets hold of him!
Dirrell ran and clinched but still landed way more punches and matched Froch for workrate in majority of the rounds.
Running and holding doesn't cost you points unless the ref starts deducting points so Froch can't win the fight based on uneffectively coming forward and clinching less.
When scoring the fight on the 4 scoring criterias : Clean effective punching, effective aggression, ring generalship and defense, there is no doubt that Dirrell clearly won the fight.
I'm laughing my ass off at the bolded comment above also. :rolleyes:
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Fenster
Well he does have a point.
If Dirrell hadn't kept moaning, holding and collapsing to the floor and moaning and holding, he would have probably got the decision.
He gave off the aura of a losing man.
Dirrell moaned because Froch was hitting behind the head and kept hitting him everytime the ref would break them up.
Dirrell had every right to moan imo.
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After a while a fighter has to stop complaining. If the ref isn't gonna do nothing then don't waste time complaining. i"ve never seen complaining mount to anything in any sport.
