Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
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hattonthehammer
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killersheep
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hattonthehammer
And lets not forget manny pac hadnt even been in at 140 when he flew up through the weights to fight oscar.
floyd jumped up 7pounds to fight a guy of similar stature. Manny Pac gained 17pounds in just over 9months to fight a guy who had made his millions at said weight!
I place very little value on PAC's win over ODLH, because ODLH was a dehydrated broken man coming into that fight.
I give PAC huge credit for his wins over Cotto and Hatton though.
I agree
Just find this theory that pacs blowout of oscar in 8 wasnt as impressive as floyds 115-113 decision??
You can only beat whats put in front of you after all
I think Floyd won easier than the score say to be honest but i give Pac full credit for his win against Cotto
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
This isn't a p4p list, it's a welterweight list, which means what you achieve at welterweight decides where you place. Floyd has only fought Marquez, Baldomir, and Gotti at welterweight (right?)? Cotto is a better win than all of those by a sizable margin.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
Pacquiao should number 2 at WW.
Mosley beat the man at 147 in Margarito who beat Cotto before Pacquiao did.
Mosley should be number 1.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
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Pugilistic
Pacquiao should number 2 at WW.
Mosley beat the man at 147 in Margarito who beat Cotto before Pacquiao did.
Mosley should be number 1.
Hard to say really if anything Floyd actully beat the last Ring champion at 147 Baldomir, since then there hasnt been a clear number 1, at the moment its all opinions.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
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Rantcatrat
This isn't a p4p list, it's a welterweight list, which means what you achieve at welterweight decides where you place. Floyd has only fought Marquez, Baldomir, and Gotti at welterweight (right?)? Cotto is a better win than all of those by a sizable margin.
This is also the Ring's Welterweight list and Baldomir for all his faults was their champ when Mayweather beat him and you left off Judah. Cotto was not.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
Shane is the best Welter at the moment. Floyd retired and Cotto lost to Marg, who Shane beat, so is the current holder.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
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Tysonbruno
Before he fought Cotto he was number 1 in light Welterweights and in Welterweights it was
1.Mosley
2.Mayweather
3.Cotto
And now Pac is number 1 is it me or is the world just so far up Pacquiao's ARSE!! granted he is P4P#1 but i think he should have just slipped in to Cotto's number 3 spot.
Agree totally mate, one fight doesn't mean he has cleaned up a division. It's a shame coz it's not him that's causing all the hype, he seems a nice humble bloke from what you can tell, but his shit gets your back up.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
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Rantcatrat
It's close.
- Mosley: he retains the #1 spot. He lost a razor thin decision to Cotto but then demolished a Margarito who had beat Cotto.
- Pacquiao: beat Cotto who was consensus #2
- Cotto/Floyd: has beat more top opposition at welterweight/jr. welterweight than any of the top guys: Clottey, Shane, Quintana, Judah, Malinaggi, Bailey etc.
- Floyd/Cotto: has not fought one consensus top ten welterweight in five years. Biggest win at welterweight was probably over Baldomir or Marquez who is a lightweight.
Now, a p4p list would look very different. But, I don't see how you rank Floyd above Pacquiao or Mosley and probably Cotto at welterweight at least if the list is based on achievements in the weight class because Floyd hasn't done anything at welterweight...ever really. I could see him above Cotto because of Cotto's recent losses, but even that's close call.
Also, unless I'm mistaken, isn't any fight above 140 but below 147 considered a welterweight fight?
I completely agree:
1. Mosley
2. Pacquiao
3. Cotto
4. PBF
5. Berto/Clottey
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
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miles
I don't even class the Cotto/Pac fight as a proper WW fight. It was at a catchweight and I don't think any belts should have been on the line either.
Mosley is still number 1 as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea where Mayweather comes in at having last fought a LW and a JWW before that. Maybe Mosley, then Pac and only then Mayweather.
i kind of see what you are saying but WW isn't 147 though, 147 is the limit, the WW division is 140.1 - 147lbs... there are fighters who come in under 140, judah usualy comes in around 145, floyd often has too...
its the same for every weight class, the number is the Limit for that weight, so it is right really.. (i don't agree on these contracted weights much, but a lot of other fighters have done.
anyhow how cares, in his next fight Floyd will have shut him and arum up once and for all.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
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Rantcatrat
This isn't a p4p list, it's a welterweight list, which means what you achieve at welterweight decides where you place. Floyd has only fought Marquez, Baldomir, and Gotti at welterweight (right?)? Cotto is a better win than all of those by a sizable margin.
This is also the Ring's Welterweight list and Baldomir for all his faults was their champ when Mayweather beat him and you left off Judah. Cotto was not.
Floyd retired though.
Cotto was then regarded as the man at 147, Margarito beat him and was then regarded as the man then Mosley beat him.
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I think its absolute bullshit because the only guy he fought and beat at Welterweight was Oscar.
The Cotto fight was an amazing win, but it wasn't at welterweight. If you want to fight at a catch weight, I don't see how that fight should count at any weight class. It did wonders for his p4p rankings, but how can it move him up at WW if the fight was not at WW?
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I think its absolute bullshit because the only guy he fought and beat at Welterweight was Oscar.
The Cotto fight was an amazing win, but it wasn't at welterweight. If you want to fight at a catch weight, I don't see how that fight should count at any weight class. It did wonders for his p4p rankings, but how can it move him up at WW if the fight was not at WW?
147 is the WW limit. It means 141-147 is welterweight range. Pac-Cotto fight was a legit WW bout.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
The Ring magazine has strongly been a Pac groupie so I don't take much offense to their opinion. Pac fought one welterweight in his career. Its not reasonable to have a guy beat one welterweight, not to mention at a catchweight, who was not even number 1 and then give him the number 1 spot. So basically 2 guys, not named Mosley, fight at a catchweight and Mosley's number 1 spot is on the line. Laughable:rotflmao:But I'm not going to get on Pac. His groupie's aren't his responsibility.
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
For me this is quite obvious that the RING magazine are trying to hype up and get this fight between Mayweather and Manny properly sorted out straight away.It'll piss off Mayweather and rub salt into his wounds and make him sign the contract a.s.a.p,its a ploy and guess what it'll work.Weather you like Manny as a person or not thats your own opinion,but as a boxing fan you have to respect the guy 100%,just imagine if Manny was'nt doing what he's been doing,boxing would be pretty boring.There's a old saying that goes,"If you've got it flaunt it!!"Manny has it soo why should'nt he flaunt it,after all he deserve it i reckon.He's been the most active fighter over the last 2years!!;)
Re: Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine
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blegit
The Ring magazine has strongly been a Pac groupie so I don't take much offense to their opinion. Pac fought one welterweight in his career. Its not reasonable to have a guy beat one welterweight, not to mention at a catchweight, who was not even number 1 and then give him the number 1 spot. So basically 2 guys, not named Mosley, fight at a catchweight and Mosley's number 1 spot is on the line. Laughable:rotflmao:But I'm not going to get on Pac. His groupie's aren't his responsibility.
The RING magazine is now a PAC groupie?;D;D;D Including DLH?:rolleyes:
I don't know why you're claiming to be a pacfan now but certainly you have been affected by this bandwagon sickness.
I have been here for years but I can't remember you being one of us. :-X
Sorry but I have to correct how you present yourself here.
Officially, we haven't accepted you as one of us.;D;D;D
There's a procedure before you are accepted into the Saddo Pacgroupies. LOL;D;D;D
We have just inducted Master as a new pacfan here I can't remember inducting you as one of our members. LOL.
btw, Saddo is an ex-officio member of the pactards. hehehe. If he wants, I can promote him to ex-officio chairman of the pactards.;D;D;D
