Pacquiao Number 1 in Welterweights in The Ring Magazine

[Gandalf]

I don't even class the Cotto/Pac fight as a proper WW fight. It was at a catchweight and I don't think any belts should have been on the line either.

Mosley is still number 1 as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea where Mayweather comes in at having last fought a LW and a JWW before that. Maybe Mosley, then Pac and only then Mayweather.

[HattonTheHammer]

Only right if you ask me

The 2 fights he has had at the weight have been nothing short of remarkable, cotto beat mosley, pac beat cotto

Floyd took a close decision to beat ODLH, pac battered him in 8rounds!

1.Pacquiao
2.Mayweather
3.Mosley

[Lance Uppercut]

cotto beat mosely, and then Pac-May destroyed Cotto. I have no problem ranking him above Mosely.

[hackey]

Floyd took a close decision to beat ODLH, pac battered him in 8rounds!

Come on, if you are going to use an example, pick another one. Even Roach said that prefight he could see needle tracks in De La Hoya's arms and knew it would be an easy night. The guy was weight drained beyond belief for that fight, something he was not for Mayweather.

[Rantcatrat]

It's close.

1. Mosley: he retains the #1 spot. He lost a razor thin decision to Cotto but then demolished a Margarito who had beat Cotto.
2. Pacquiao: beat Cotto who was consensus #2
3. Cotto/Floyd: has beat more top opposition at welterweight/jr. welterweight than any of the top guys: Clottey, Shane, Quintana, Judah, Malinaggi, Bailey etc.
4. Floyd/Cotto: has not fought one consensus top ten welterweight in five years. Biggest win at welterweight was probably over Baldomir or Marquez who is a lightweight.

Now, a p4p list would look very different. But, I don't see how you rank Floyd above Pacquiao or Mosley and probably Cotto at welterweight at least if the list is based on achievements in the weight class because Floyd hasn't done anything at welterweight...ever really. I could see him above Cotto because of Cotto's recent losses, but even that's close call.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, isn't any fight above 140 but below 147 considered a welterweight fight?

[iwng100]

It's close.

1. Mosley: he retains the #1 spot. He lost a razor thin decision to Cotto but then demolished a Margarito who had beat Cotto.
2. Pacquiao: beat Cotto who was consensus #2
3. Cotto/Floyd: has beat more top opposition at welterweight/jr. welterweight than any of the top guys: Clottey, Shane, Quintana, Judah, Malinaggi, Bailey etc.
4. Floyd/Cotto: has not fought one consensus top ten welterweight in five years. Biggest win at welterweight was probably over Baldomir or Marquez who is a lightweight.

Now, a p4p list would look very different. But, I don't see how you rank Floyd above Pacquiao or Mosley and probably Cotto at welterweight at least if the list is based on achievements in the weight class because Floyd hasn't done anything at welterweight...ever really. I could see him above Cotto because of Cotto's recent losses, but even that's close call.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, isn't any fight above 140 but below 147 considered a welterweight fight?

I completely agree:
1. Mosley
2. Pacquiao
3. Cotto
4. PBF
5. Berto/Clottey

[killersheep]

Only right if you ask me

The 2 fights he has had at the weight have been nothing short of remarkable, cotto beat mosley, pac beat cotto

Floyd took a close decision to beat ODLH, pac battered him in 8rounds!

1.Pacquiao
2.Mayweather
3.Mosley

Floyd fought ODLH at Light Middle, what does that have to do with the Welterweight rankings?

[Tysonbruno]

Only right if you ask me

The 2 fights he has had at the weight have been nothing short of remarkable, cotto beat mosley, pac beat cotto

Floyd took a close decision to beat ODLH, pac battered him in 8rounds!

1.Pacquiao
2.Mayweather
3.Mosley

Pac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.

[HattonTheHammer]

Only right if you ask me

The 2 fights he has had at the weight have been nothing short of remarkable, cotto beat mosley, pac beat cotto

Floyd took a close decision to beat ODLH, pac battered him in 8rounds!

1.Pacquiao
2.Mayweather
3.Mosley

Pac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.

Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?

And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he

[killersheep]

Only right if you ask me

The 2 fights he has had at the weight have been nothing short of remarkable, cotto beat mosley, pac beat cotto

Floyd took a close decision to beat ODLH, pac battered him in 8rounds!

1.Pacquiao
2.Mayweather
3.Mosley

Pac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.

Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?

And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he

No ODLH weighed in at the limit of 154 and rehydrated to well over 160 for the PBF fight. When ODLH fought PAC he weighed in at 145 and with the help of an IV rehydrated to 147. Prime at welter you say? ODLH hadn't fought at welter in over 8 years when he stepped into the ring against PAC.

[HattonTheHammer]

Pac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.

Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?

And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he

No ODLH weighed in at the limit of 154 and rehydrated to well over 160 for the PBF fight. When ODLH fought PAC he weighed in at 145 and with the help of an IV rehydrated to 147. Prime at welter you say? ODLH hadn't fought at welter in over 8 years when he stepped into the ring against PAC.

And lets not forget manny pac hadnt even been in at 140 when he flew up through the weights to fight oscar.

floyd jumped up 7pounds to fight a guy of similar stature. Manny Pac gained 17pounds in just over 9months to fight a guy who had made his millions at said weight!

[killersheep]

Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?

And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he

No ODLH weighed in at the limit of 154 and rehydrated to well over 160 for the PBF fight. When ODLH fought PAC he weighed in at 145 and with the help of an IV rehydrated to 147. Prime at welter you say? ODLH hadn't fought at welter in over 8 years when he stepped into the ring against PAC.

And lets not forget manny pac hadnt even been in at 140 when he flew up through the weights to fight oscar.

floyd jumped up 7pounds to fight a guy of similar stature. Manny Pac gained 17pounds in just over 9months to fight a guy who had made his millions at said weight!

I place very little value on PAC's win over ODLH, because ODLH was a dehydrated broken man coming into that fight.

I give PAC huge credit for his wins over Cotto and Hatton though.

[Rantcatrat]

This isn't a p4p list, it's a welterweight list, which means what you achieve at welterweight decides where you place. Floyd has only fought Marquez, Baldomir, and Gotti at welterweight (right?)? Cotto is a better win than all of those by a sizable margin.

[Tysonbruno]

Only right if you ask me

The 2 fights he has had at the weight have been nothing short of remarkable, cotto beat mosley, pac beat cotto

Floyd took a close decision to beat ODLH, pac battered him in 8rounds!

1.Pacquiao
2.Mayweather
3.Mosley

Pac beat a weight drained Oscar who wasn't even in the Welterweight top 10 and Floyd beat a big 154lbs WBC champ Oscar who was number 1 at the time in that division. Yes Pac beat Cotto who beat Mosley but Mosley destroyed Margarito who had Destroyed Cotto and Cintron and Pacquiao's fight was at 145lbs not at the 147lbs Welterweight limit.

Oscars prime weight was always welter, the quartey, whittaker and carr fights proved that years ago surely?

And didnt oscar come in at like 149 when he fought floyd? hardly a massive light middle was he

No Oscar weighed 154lbs for Floyd Floyd weighed 150lbs Oscar had not fought at Welterweight since march 2001 against Gatti

[Preme]

I don't even class the Cotto/Pac fight as a proper WW fight. It was at a catchweight and I don't think any belts should have been on the line either.

Mosley is still number 1 as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea where Mayweather comes in at having last fought a LW and a JWW before that. Maybe Mosley, then Pac and only then Mayweather.

i kind of see what you are saying but WW isn't 147 though, 147 is the limit, the WW division is 140.1 - 147lbs... there are fighters who come in under 140, judah usualy comes in around 145, floyd often has too...

its the same for every weight class, the number is the Limit for that weight, so it is right really.. (i don't agree on these contracted weights much, but a lot of other fighters have done.

anyhow how cares, in his next fight Floyd will have shut him and arum up once and for all.