On paper, this fight seems to be a toss up unlike the Floyd-JMM fight where Floyd almost had all the advantages.Quote:
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On paper, this fight seems to be a toss up unlike the Floyd-JMM fight where Floyd almost had all the advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I am convinced of my original assertion and nothing will sway me from that view. It really could go either way, and I hope the fight happens. It's a fight in which I too shall become a hugger of testicles. Though I won't hug them quite as tightly as Bruce Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnOn paper, this fight seems to be a toss up unlike the Floyd-JMM fight where Floyd almost had all the advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
You think this fight is a toss-up, on paper it looks like an EVEN match-up, this fight could very well be a 50-50 fight. That's what makes it very interesting and exciting fight. Defense vs. Offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI am convinced of my original assertion and nothing will sway me from that view. It really could go either way, and I hope the fight happens. It's a fight in which I too shall become a hugger of testicles. Though I won't hug them quite as tightly as Bruce Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnOn paper, this fight seems to be a toss up unlike the Floyd-JMM fight where Floyd almost had all the advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
BTW, no one beats Bruce in terms of hugging tightly.
How would you know about BruceLee, you're a new poster, it's odd that you're able to do that unless you're someone who's been here before & is posing under a new identity ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnYou think this fight is a toss-up, on paper it looks like an EVEN match-up, this fight could very well be a 50-50 fight. That's what makes it very interesting and exciting fight. Defense vs. Offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI am convinced of my original assertion and nothing will sway me from that view. It really could go either way, and I hope the fight happens. It's a fight in which I too shall become a hugger of testicles. Though I won't hug them quite as tightly as Bruce Lee.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohn
BTW, no one beats Bruce in terms of hugging tightly.
I noticed this BruceLee guy being the big winner here for the recent Pacquiao-Cotto fight. He's winning avatar bets, sig bets, etc. so he must be a big Pacquiao supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHow would you know about BruceLee, you're a new poster, it's odd that you're able to do that unless you're someone who's been here before & is posing under a new identity ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnYou think this fight is a toss-up, on paper it looks like an EVEN match-up, this fight could very well be a 50-50 fight. That's what makes it very interesting and exciting fight. Defense vs. Offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
BTW, no one beats Bruce in terms of hugging tightly.
Of course you did, how long did it take you to think of that explanation Xadu?Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnI noticed this BruceLee guy being the big winner here for the recent Pacquiao-Cotto fight. He's winning avatar bets, sig bets, etc. so he must be a big Pacquiao supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinHow would you know about BruceLee, you're a new poster, it's odd that you're able to do that unless you're someone who's been here before & is posing under a new identity ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by fanjohn
I answered your question 11 minutes after you posted it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinOf course you did, how long did it take you to think of that explanation Xadu?Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnI noticed this BruceLee guy being the big winner here for the recent Pacquiao-Cotto fight. He's winning avatar bets, sig bets, etc. so he must be a big Pacquiao supporter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Let's go guys and discuss boxing. I'm here as a newbie (new beginnings) in this boxing forum.
I think there is no way Team Mayweather would let Pacquiao beat Floyd. If they feel he is going to lose I'm preparing for his entire entourage to rush into the ring. I'm serious. If Team Mayweather feel Floyd is going to lose I expect him to be instructed to try and get disqualified by fouling with his elbows and then blame the loss on the referee for not allowing him to fight his style. I then expect him to somehow blame this on Roach's insistance on a certain type of referee and that Team Pacquiao and Bob Arum had rigged the fight from the start. If Team Mayweather feels Floyd will lose I expect this to turn into a foul filled fight from both sides and I literally expect Roger Mayweather to attack Pacquiao.
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Originally Posted by fanjohn
The first two actually go to floyd as floyd has way more experience than PAC..Floyd had a very long amateur career. This why PAC is just now becoming a well rounded fighter.
And Floyd has beaten a wider variety of opponents meaning styles, where as Manny was protected from fighting slick boxers and still to this day hasn't fought a slick boxer.
HEART - I don't know how you measure this but I think its just a dumb way of trying to give manny an "advantage", Why doesn't floyd have heat? Because he's undefeated? Well it takes more heart than one gets credit for to constantly lace 'em up with the huge target on his back that floyd has.
And As far as Recent activity, this could very easily count against Manny as he himself just stated that he wants a vacation because the cotto fight was very tough, not to mention they've been riding him over the last two years. with 5 fights. Where as Floyd has been resting and came back with an easy tune up against a very good small man.
^I agree with the "Ring Experience". Mayweather was fighting for a title while Pacquiao wasnt even on the scene.
Mayweather also wins in the "Ring General" category, which is probably the main thing to consider. Mayweather always seems to control the pace of a fight. If he does so against Pacquiao, Pacquiao is in for a long night.
To me it boils down to this: Pacquiao wins by beating up his opponents. Mayweather wins by outclassing them. I have never ever seen Mayweather beaten up to the extent that Pacquiao needs to beat him up, but I have seen Pacquiao outboxed by lesser boxers.
There's a reason why Pacquiao's people have kept him away from slick boxers, and I think we're going to see why if this fight were to happen.
I say amateur and pro were 2 different animals. There were boxers beaten in the amateurs but did good in the pro ranks and vice versa. I'm only counting the experiences of both Floyd and Pacquiao in their pro career. Pacquiao is a 15 year veteran with 55 total pro fights fought from flyweight to welterweight divisions. Floyd is a 13 year veteran with 40 total pro fights. "Ring Experience" should go to Pacquiao, no doubt about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by fanjohn
The first two actually go to floyd as floyd has way more experience than PAC..Floyd had a very long amateur career. This why PAC is just now becoming a well rounded fighter.
And Floyd has beaten a wider variety of opponents meaning styles, where as Manny was protected from fighting slick boxers and still to this day hasn't fought a slick boxer.
HEART - I don't know how you measure this but I think its just a dumb way of trying to give manny an "advantage", Why doesn't floyd have heat? Because he's undefeated? Well it takes more heart than one gets credit for to constantly lace 'em up with the huge target on his back that floyd has.
And As far as Recent activity, this could very easily count against Manny as he himself just stated that he wants a vacation because the cotto fight was very tough, not to mention they've been riding him over the last two years. with 5 fights. Where as Floyd has been resting and came back with an easy tune up against a very good small man.
"Quality of Opponents" might be EVEN as revised earlier in the thread.
I gave "Heart"(or guts) to Pacquiao since we had already seen Pacquiao fighting with a lot of heart against tough competition. This factor is still a big question mark in Floyd's side. What will happen if Floyd gets cut, hit flush and drawn in a bloody war? Will Floyd fold? It's a big question mark. So I would rather give this factor to the proven boxer as against the one where it's still a question mark.
I still give "Recent Activity" to Pacquiao. He's been fighting regularly while Floyd was having vacation (retirement) from time to time. Those recent Pacquiao wars will prepare him to face the bigger wars ahead while Floyd is enjoying a soft tune-up where he almost had all the advantages.
Two months after Floyd got his 1st title at 130, Pacquiao got his 1st title too and it's a lineal one at 112. Pacquiao beat the man that beat the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by knodaledge
Regarding ring generalship, Pacquiao is also very good in controlling the pace of the fight. He can dictate the pace even against bigger men. He has them back pedaling at times.
Pacquiao been criticized that he didn't fought a slick boxer, that he didn't fought a "black" boxer. I'm sure Pacquiao is not afraid to face the mother of all slick, "black" boxers and that's Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Of course he'll fight mayweather, its worth money..but he should have already faced slick fighters. Zahir Raheem would have taxed his ass he instead opted to faced morrales after raheem gave him a one sided ass whooping right in front of pacman.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnTwo months after Floyd got his 1st title at 130, Pacquiao got his 1st title too and it's a lineal one at 112. Pacquiao beat the man that beat the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by knodaledge
Regarding ring generalship, Pacquiao is also very good in controlling the pace of the fight. He can dictate the pace even against bigger men. He has them back pedaling at times.
Pacquiao been criticized that he didn't fought a slick boxer, that he didn't fought a "black" boxer. I'm sure Pacquiao is not afraid to face the mother of all slick, "black" boxers and that's Floyd Mayweather Jr.
No need to argue since this is 4 years too late. What's infront of Pacquiao right now is the mother of all slick "black" boxers, Floyd Jr. and not Zahir Raheem. Pacquiao is ready to fight Floyd and it will put to rest any accusations that Pacquiao is avoiding slick boxers and "black" boxers.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherOf course he'll fight mayweather, its worth money..but he should have already faced slick fighters. Zahir Raheem would have taxed his ass he instead opted to faced morrales after raheem gave him a one sided ass whooping right in front of pacman.Quote:
Originally Posted by fanjohnTwo months after Floyd got his 1st title at 130, Pacquiao got his 1st title too and it's a lineal one at 112. Pacquiao beat the man that beat the man.Quote:
Originally Posted by knodaledge
Regarding ring generalship, Pacquiao is also very good in controlling the pace of the fight. He can dictate the pace even against bigger men. He has them back pedaling at times.
Pacquiao been criticized that he didn't fought a slick boxer, that he didn't fought a "black" boxer. I'm sure Pacquiao is not afraid to face the mother of all slick, "black" boxers and that's Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I agree that Mayweather has a wider variety of punches but I don't understand how someone can argue that he is a better combination puncher. In my opinion he is a potshotter who only begins to put together combos in the later rounds as a result of earlier strategic feints and single punches. It is only after he has controlled the range, the pace the fight is fought and timed his opponents that he begins to open up and even then they are usually 2 punch combinations. A good example of this is how he began landing left jab to the solar plexus, straight right combos against De la Hoya in the "championshop rounds". He had feinted left jabs to the head then landed left jabs to the body in the earlier rounds. Later on he disturbed De la Hoya's timing by leaving his left glove in his face before jabbing the body and landing straight rights. I don't remember him landing the combos that Pacquiao did against Hatton or De la Hoya (yes I know he was weight drained) and I don't see him doing it against Cotto. Technically Mayweather could but his lack of power and mentality make it more intelligent for him to potshot. I also don't understand how he can have the same stamina as Pacquiao. Sure we've never seen him tired but when has Pacquiao faded? Who has the higher workrate?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales