Re: I was wrong, but i'm stunned by the reactin to last nights fight
Ward's headbutts were totally unintentional.
I personally don't know how anyone can't give Ward credit for his performance last night.
He just dominated the man who was regarded as the best super middleweight in the world.
Ward outboxed, outpunched and outhustled him.
Re: I was wrong, but i'm stunned by the reactin to last nights fight
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Pugilistic
Ward's headbutts were totally unintentional.
I personally don't know how anyone can't give Ward credit for his performance last night.
He just dominated the man who was regarded as the best super middleweight in the world.
Ward outboxed, outpunched and outhustled him.
look at the second butt, the one that opened the cut over kesslers right eye at the 5:30 mark
http://www.youtube.com/v/BbY83_XZjE4&hl=en_GB&fs=1
his hands are by his side and he brings the head up into kesslers face, BEFORE trying to clinch
if it wasnt intentional what was ward trying to achieve by just throwing himself up against kessler with his hands down ?
Re: I was wrong, but i'm stunned by the reactin to last nights fight
He lunges a lot. He needs to watch that even if its not intentional.
Anyway maybe the tenth round headbutt was intentional, maybe he thought I'm beating the fuck out of this dude, its time to butt him. :-\
Other than that (and its impossible to say it was out and out intentional) there's not much there outside of the way he uses his left hand. The holding and punching in the clinch arguments are absurd.
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Pugilistic
Ward's headbutts were totally unintentional.
I personally don't know how anyone can't give Ward credit for his performance last night.
He just dominated the man who was regarded as the best super middleweight in the world.
Ward outboxed, outpunched and outhustled him.
look at the second butt, the one that opened the cut over kesslers right eye at the 5:30 mark
http://www.youtube.com/v/BbY83_XZjE4&hl=en_GB&fs=1
his hands are by his side and he brings the head up into kesslers face, BEFORE trying to clinch
if it wasnt intentional what was ward trying to achieve by just throwing himself up against kessler with his hands down ?
I watched it a second time and i stand by my first opinion.
It was an accident.
Ward threw a punch but lunged forward when he threw it.
The momentum from the lunge made Ward clash heads with Kess.
Re: I was wrong, but i'm stunned by the reactin to last nights fight
OumaFan and Pugilistic have it right, Ward lunges a lot, he was a bit high strung at that moment in the fight with Kessler frustrated and on the verge of being out of there, it was an accident. Buuut he does need to be careful and it's not like Kessler was going to score any sort of stoppage, it was almost mercy on him.
FACT remains that the head-butt happened in the second to last round, the only relevance that the headbutt carries is that it changes the result of the fight to a Technical Decision rather then a Unanimous Decision or possibly a TKO.
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Whether the butts were intentional or not they clearly had an impact on the fight and tainted Jesus win.
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Fenster
Whether the butts were intentional or not they clearly had an impact on the fight and tainted Jesus win.
I agree with you there. I also think Uncle Roger putting Zab Judah in a headlock clearly had an impact on their fight and tainted Floyd's win. I bet Judah would fare better in a chokehold-less rematch.
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Pugilistic
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hitmanhatton
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Pugilistic
Ward's headbutts were totally unintentional.
I personally don't know how anyone can't give Ward credit for his performance last night.
He just dominated the man who was regarded as the best super middleweight in the world.
Ward outboxed, outpunched and outhustled him.
look at the second butt, the one that opened the cut over kesslers right eye at the 5:30 mark
http://www.youtube.com/v/BbY83_XZjE4&hl=en_GB&fs=1
his hands are by his side and he brings the head up into kesslers face, BEFORE trying to clinch
if it wasnt intentional what was ward trying to achieve by just throwing himself up against kessler with his hands down ?
I watched it a second time and i stand by my first opinion.
It was an accident.
Ward threw a punch but lunged forward when he threw it.
The momentum from the lunge made Ward clash heads with Kess.
did you watch the video or decide upon your response beforehand ? he throws the shot and lead foot lands, followed by him pushing off his back foot which brings the head up into kesslers face
you make it seem as if ward has no control over his own body and just flops around the ring and its your fault if you get in the way of his forehead
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Fenster
Whether the butts were intentional or not they clearly had an impact on the fight and tainted Jesus win.
I agree with you there. I also think Uncle Roger putting Zab Judah in a headlock clearly had an impact on their fight and tainted Floyd's win. I bet Judah would fare better in a chokehold-less rematch.
Would you have believed Froch was gonna KO Taylor in their fight?
You can never say never in this boxing lark.
Although we can be pretty sure had Jesus got in trouble his ref would have helped him survive. Fact.
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hitmanhatton
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Pugilistic
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hitmanhatton
look at the second butt, the one that opened the cut over kesslers right eye at the 5:30 mark
http://www.youtube.com/v/BbY83_XZjE4&hl=en_GB&fs=1
his hands are by his side and he brings the head up into kesslers face, BEFORE trying to clinch
if it wasnt intentional what was ward trying to achieve by just throwing himself up against kessler with his hands down ?
I watched it a second time and i stand by my first opinion.
It was an accident.
Ward threw a punch but lunged forward when he threw it.
The momentum from the lunge made Ward clash heads with Kess.
did you watch the video or decide upon your response beforehand ? he throws the shot and lead foot lands, followed by him pushing off his back foot which brings the head up into kesslers face
you make it seem as if ward has no control over his own body and just flops around the ring and its your fault if you get in the way of his forehead
Of course i did.
He lunged forward when he threw a punch and the momentum from the lunge made him clash heads with Kessler.
Ward lunges with his punches quite alot.
I don't understand why people care so much about a intentional or unintentional headbutt anyway, It wasn't like that changed the momentum of the fight.
Ward dominated from ROUND 1.
Re: I was wrong, but i'm stunned by the reactin to last nights fight
Taylor is a bundle of nerves in the ring, it's always a possibility. I might be inclined to agree except for the fact that Kessler was looking for a way out much earlier in the fight telling his corner he couldn't see. Also I'm not sure Kessler's right hand ever even touched Ward's head, it would have been pretty out there.
Jesus is King ;)
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amat
It was a whole lot of one and a tiny bit of the other. He had some tricks up his sleeve on the inside but he absolutely schooled him. Ward could have fought the whole fight like he did in the first 2 rounds, only change it up occasionally, and won nearly every round of the fight. Ward went out and on the outside, where Kessler is at his absolute best, shut him down, outquicked him and didn't let him get set to punch.
Where was Kessler's vaunted right hand? The one that Edison Miranda landed so well against Ward? Shut down, did he land a single one? It was in fact a masterclass and the scorecards are evidence of it. A bit dirty, not always the prettiest but Ward essentially won every minute of that fight. A masterclass on the best fighter of the tournament.
Absolutely spot on desciption. Ward was Mayweather like last night. Even Roy Jones like. I was so impressed. For me, a star was born last night.
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Pugilistic
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hitmanhatton
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Pugilistic
I watched it a second time and i stand by my first opinion.
It was an accident.
Ward threw a punch but lunged forward when he threw it.
The momentum from the lunge made Ward clash heads with Kess.
did you watch the video or decide upon your response beforehand ? he throws the shot and lead foot lands, followed by him pushing off his back foot which brings the head up into kesslers face
you make it seem as if ward has no control over his own body and just flops around the ring and its your fault if you get in the way of his forehead
Of course i did.
He lunged forward when he threw a punch and the momentum from the lunge made him clash heads with Kessler.
Ward lunges with his punches quite alot.
I don't understand why people care so much about a intentional or unintentional headbutt anyway, It wasn't like that changed the momentum of the fight.
Ward dominated from ROUND 1.
ye ill be the first to admit kessler was taken to school, almost every flaw in his game was shown up
however the headbutts are a talking point, i personally think ward was perhaps tiring a little (his punch output did drop) and was using the rough tactics just to ensure there was no late surge from kessler
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LOL, he was still dominating the fight. Sorry I just find it hard to believe that.
Regardless he needs to watch his head.
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OumaFan
LOL, he was still dominating the fight. Sorry I just find it hard to believe that.
Regardless he needs to watch his head.
why ?
i personally find it hard to believe that all FIVE head clashes were unitentional when it was kessler on the recieving end every time
