Well I voted no mainly cause I didn't think it was his biggest win. But of course it takes some of the luster off, I would still probably vote no as I'm not sure it technically rubbed shit all over it.
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Well I voted no mainly cause I didn't think it was his biggest win. But of course it takes some of the luster off, I would still probably vote no as I'm not sure it technically rubbed shit all over it.
I think it does. You can look at it two different ways. Calzaghe had a close but clear win over Kessler , while a fighter with 20 wins and little big fight experience completely schooled Kessler. this basically embarasses Calzaghe's performance. However, on other hand, the Kessler that fought Calzaghe was very focused and looked in much better form than against Ward. Maybe it was an off night? I think it's a little of both- Kessler didn't look as good as when he fought Joe but now his victory doesn't look as great as it did. What if it was
Ward - Calzaghe (when he fought Kes)?
I still say it would be a close Calzaghe win.
Pavlik was the best win of Hopkins' career because it was unexpected, had Hopkins beaten Calzaghe I am sure THAT would have been the biggest win of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I'm quite surprised people are voting no.
Kessler losing so clearly obviously takes away credit from Joe's win.
Just like Hopkins beating Pavlik raised Joe's win over him.
It doesn't take anything away because to me that was nowhere near the best kess can do. He needs to get himself a new trainer and properly prepare himself for his next fight with a gameplan and an option b c and d in case a fails. It looks like they came in yesterday expecting to knock out ward, and kess did beautifully in the 5th round I thought, don't know why he didn't keep it up. Styles make fights as always...
So what would that make Hopkins then?Quote:
Originally Posted by LylePavlik was the best win of Hopkins' career because it was unexpected, had Hopkins beaten Calzaghe I am sure THAT would have been the biggest win of his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hold on.. so you think Hopkins is as crap as Calzaghe? Fair enough...
I fail to see the logic in saying because Ward beat Kessler this makes JC's win less credible. Because in saying that it means the both Ward and Kessler must not be good? I picked Kess to win the whole thing because thought Ward was too green, but I was happy to be wrong.
I mean saying JC's win is crap now because Kess lost to WArd is a dumb statement. That's like saying PAC's Win over Cotto is less impressive because he was ruined by Margarito.
No. Calzaghe thought he could walk through him and spent the first five rounds trying to do it. Then he started to box him and started to win rounds clearly. If he'd boxed as carefully as Ward did last night he'd have won a lopsided points decision too. It was also Joe's last time making twelve stone after over a decade of having to do it. He didn't try doing it again, he knew after that fight he had to move up. Ward looked impressive last night against an absolute textbook orthodox fighter, but styles make fights and putting him in against other styles and he won't look so good, although you've got to say he looks the class of the SS field.
Calzaghe didn't leave 168 because of the weight, he left it because of the money. The money wasn't only in America, it was at 175 where he could fight Hopkins and Jones. Thought that should be made clear, it was a cool last stand but not for those reasons. Also, Ward didn't just carefully outbox Kessler, he beat up Kessler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It's a shame we won't see Ward-Calzaghe, that would be a fun fight.
They are basically the same, Hopkins spent too much of his career at a depleated 160 fighting guys who were natural 154. Joe Calzaghe stayed at 168 and just could never be bothered to fight anyone good until time was running out on his career and the careers of his opponents were on life support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Even though RJJ stayed at 175 forever he fought better competition than both Hopkins and Calzaghe
Calzaghe didn't only beat Kessler, he took his heart away. He took all Kessler had to offer then came back stronger. And if people want to slag Joe off then they should try acheiving half of what Joe did. And lets not forget how Joe often broke his hands in fights, but never quit, because winners don't quit and quitters never win.
I voted NO it doesn't.
I think it's more of a case that Ward is just that good.
Also Calzaghe was 35 years old... A 30 year old would of stopped him IMO.
Yup - and mineQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterSo you're knocking Calzaghe because Kessler lost, and yet Hopkins scored THE BEST (in his words) win of his career after Calzaghe but that doesn't count because he was "old."Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Kessler was unbeaten when Calzaghe beat him.
Hopkins arguably scored the most impressive wins of his career either side of the Calzaghe loss (certainly in his opinion).
Most importantly Calzaghe was never knocked out by golfers and journymen. Fact.
You are right , but for the record i dont hate Calzaghe anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Hold on a minute wasn't i the one saying Mikkel Kessler was good, and Joe Calzaghe deserved credit for the win ? and didn't i give him credit for the close win over B-HOP, even though i did scored it for B-HOP ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Im not a hater your just a Joe Calzaghe fan, and you disagree with any negative comments on Joe Calzaghe which is fine, but im not a hater.
But i have stated many times even though, Mikkel Kessler is good he is untested and he hadn't fully proven himself yet. Everyone kept saying Mikkel Kessler will beat this guy, and give this guy a tough fight ETC.
When truthfully he is untested at the elite level, the best fighter he beat was Anthony Mundine. Who is a good fighter but elite ? im not sure about that, and who else is there really Librado Andrade ? Markus Beyer ?
Theres no doubt Mikkel Kessler is a good fighter, and Joe Calzaghe does deserve credit for beating him. But as i've told you many times, he is still untested and no one truly knows how good he is.
And obviously any loss he has now will take some credit away from the win. Personally i didn't see the fight, i've been busy and haven't really been following boxing. And to be honest i only remembered it because it was in the paper today.
But i will get round to watching it at some point, and then i will say whether or not it rubs poo on Joe Calzaghe's win as JT put it, depending on how badly Mikkel Kessler was beat.
But as others have said Mikkel Kessler isn't good at adjusting, and he's not a good inside fighter which will always be a problem. But maybe it was a bad style match up, i don't really know but all i know is that Mikkel Kessler is still untested IMO.