Does this rub poo on Calzaghe's biggest win

[El Kabong]

So you're knocking Calzaghe because Kessler lost, and yet Hopkins scored THE BEST (in his words) win of his career after Calzaghe but that doesn't count because he was "old."

Kessler was unbeaten when Calzaghe beat him.

Hopkins arguably scored the most impressive wins of his career either side of the Calzaghe loss (certainly in his opinion).

Most importantly Calzaghe was never knocked out by golfers and journymen. Fact.

Pavlik was the best win of Hopkins' career because it was unexpected, had Hopkins beaten Calzaghe I am sure THAT would have been the biggest win of his career.

[Pugilistic]

I'm quite surprised people are voting no.

Kessler losing so clearly obviously takes away credit from Joe's win.

Just like Hopkins beating Pavlik raised Joe's win over him.

[armin]

It doesn't take anything away because to me that was nowhere near the best kess can do. He needs to get himself a new trainer and properly prepare himself for his next fight with a gameplan and an option b c and d in case a fails. It looks like they came in yesterday expecting to knock out ward, and kess did beautifully in the 5th round I thought, don't know why he didn't keep it up. Styles make fights as always...

[Fenster]

So you're knocking Calzaghe because Kessler lost, and yet Hopkins scored THE BEST (in his words) win of his career after Calzaghe but that doesn't count because he was "old."

Kessler was unbeaten when Calzaghe beat him.

Hopkins arguably scored the most impressive wins of his career either side of the Calzaghe loss (certainly in his opinion).

Most importantly Calzaghe was never knocked out by golfers and journymen. Fact.

Pavlik was the best win of Hopkins' career because it was unexpected, had Hopkins beaten Calzaghe I am sure THAT would have been the biggest win of his career.

So what would that make Hopkins then?

Hold on.. so you think Hopkins is as crap as Calzaghe? Fair enough...

[JonesJrMayweather]

I fail to see the logic in saying because Ward beat Kessler this makes JC's win less credible. Because in saying that it means the both Ward and Kessler must not be good? I picked Kess to win the whole thing because thought Ward was too green, but I was happy to be wrong.

I mean saying JC's win is crap now because Kess lost to WArd is a dumb statement. That's like saying PAC's Win over Cotto is less impressive because he was ruined by Margarito.

[Kirkland Laing]

No. Calzaghe thought he could walk through him and spent the first five rounds trying to do it. Then he started to box him and started to win rounds clearly. If he'd boxed as carefully as Ward did last night he'd have won a lopsided points decision too. It was also Joe's last time making twelve stone after over a decade of having to do it. He didn't try doing it again, he knew after that fight he had to move up. Ward looked impressive last night against an absolute textbook orthodox fighter, but styles make fights and putting him in against other styles and he won't look so good, although you've got to say he looks the class of the SS field.

[amat]

No. Calzaghe thought he could walk through him and spent the first five rounds trying to do it. Then he started to box him and started to win rounds clearly. If he'd boxed as carefully as Ward did last night he'd have won a lopsided points decision too. It was also Joe's last time making twelve stone after over a decade of having to do it. He didn't try doing it again, he knew after that fight he had to move up. Ward looked impressive last night against an absolute textbook orthodox fighter, but styles make fights and putting him in against other styles and he won't look so good, although you've got to say he looks the class of the SS field.

Calzaghe didn't leave 168 because of the weight, he left it because of the money. The money wasn't only in America, it was at 175 where he could fight Hopkins and Jones. Thought that should be made clear, it was a cool last stand but not for those reasons. Also, Ward didn't just carefully outbox Kessler, he beat up Kessler.

It's a shame we won't see Ward-Calzaghe, that would be a fun fight.

[El Kabong]

So what would that make Hopkins then?

Hold on.. so you think Hopkins is as crap as Calzaghe? Fair enough...

They are basically the same, Hopkins spent too much of his career at a depleated 160 fighting guys who were natural 154. Joe Calzaghe stayed at 168 and just could never be bothered to fight anyone good until time was running out on his career and the careers of his opponents were on life support.

Even though RJJ stayed at 175 forever he fought better competition than both Hopkins and Calzaghe

[SEANIE]

Calzaghe didn't only beat Kessler, he took his heart away. He took all Kessler had to offer then came back stronger. And if people want to slag Joe off then they should try acheiving half of what Joe did. And lets not forget how Joe often broke his hands in fights, but never quit, because winners don't quit and quitters never win.

[ono]

So you're knocking Calzaghe because Kessler lost, and yet Hopkins scored THE BEST (in his words) win of his career after Calzaghe but that doesn't count because he was "old."

Kessler was unbeaten when Calzaghe beat him.

Hopkins arguably scored the most impressive wins of his career either side of the Calzaghe loss (certainly in his opinion).

Most importantly Calzaghe was never knocked out by golfers and journymen. Fact.

Pavlik was the best win of Hopkins' career because it was unexpected, had Hopkins beaten Calzaghe I am sure THAT would have been the biggest win of his career.

Expected or not. He still schooled him. IIRC opinion on this board was quite divided in the sense that around half though Pavlik would KO Calzaghe. Pavlik was that highly rated. Hopkins being old has no relevance to Calzaghe, given he went and produced that performance after losing to Joe.

Even mentioning the age of Hopkins has little significance given that Calzaghe was around 36 when they fought.

In relation to the topic, Calzaghe beat Kessler properly. I'm not sure what Ward did. It was ugly anyway. However, Ward is a very good fighter, but this win doesn't take anything away from Joe. Not for me anyway.

[BIG H]

It'a amazing how great Lacy and Kessler were before they fought Calzaghe, but they suddenly were never that great at all after he beat them Doesn't matter what JC did he would NEVER have got the true credit

[Howlin Mad Missy]

It'a amazing how great Lacy and Kessler were before they fought Calzaghe, but they suddenly were never that great at all after he beat them Doesn't matter what JC did he would NEVER have got the true credit

Does anyone really think Lacy and Kessler are/were great?

[BIG H]

It'a amazing how great Lacy and Kessler were before they fought Calzaghe, but they suddenly were never that great at all after he beat them Doesn't matter what JC did he would NEVER have got the true credit

Does anyone really think Lacy and Kessler are/were great?

People thought Lacy 'Would be' great. He was huge in the states, The MiddleWeight Mike Tyson, face all over Superbowl, the future of boxing bla bla bla. But when he lost he was suddelnly always an untested, limited Rookie

[HattonTheHammer]

"poo"

la-de-da, get her

Do you apply your make up when having a "poo"



I take a copy of razzle into the toilet when i "shit"

[Howlin Mad Missy]

It'a amazing how great Lacy and Kessler were before they fought Calzaghe, but they suddenly were never that great at all after he beat them Doesn't matter what JC did he would NEVER have got the true credit

Does anyone really think Lacy and Kessler are/were great?

People thought Lacy 'Would be' great. He was huge in the states, The MiddleWeight Mike Tyson, face all over Superbowl, the future of boxing bla bla bla. But when he lost he was suddelnly always an untested, limited Rookie

he was.