How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

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11-23-2009, 07:48 PM
Mark TKO

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

Pac already top ten for me

If he beats PBF convincingly he hits the top 3 - if he destroys him then maybe just maybe........;)
11-23-2009, 08:49 PM
Jimanuel Boogustus

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Jimboogie

I dont see why there should be a bias for fighters from an older generation... IMO Manny Pacquiao is already better than the likes of Duran, Leonard, Whittaker etc... Is it so bad that i feel Floyd Mayweather is more accomplished than Hank Armstrong in every sense of the word?

I don't think he's really better than Pernell Whitaker, if Pernell Whitaker had not been robbed in his decision losses and draws coughs. He would be considered top 5 IMO, his only legit loss is too Felix Trinidad when he was way past his prime and having problems with drugs. Just take a look at this record for a second.

Azumah Nelson
Jose Luis Ramirez x2
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Greg Haugen
Wilfredo Rivera x2
Diosbelys Hurtado
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Buddy McGirt x2
Rafael Pineda
Freddie Pendleton
Anthony Jones
Policarpo Diaz
Jorge Paez

I think he won all of these fights, plus take into account his other achievements.

World titles.

Lightweight 10 title wins including the 1st Jose Luis Ramirez fight.
Jr Welterweight
Welterweight 10 title wins including Julio Cesar Chavez and ODLH.
Jr Middleweight

And for the record i think Pernell Whitaker, would of beaten Manny Pacquiao by atleast 8 rounds to 4.

Finally as for Roberto Duran his record speaks for itself.

It's hard to debate against that. There's a lot of facts there.

Except for the parts that are not fact of course.

No but seriously, i hear you. I dunno, i guess i picked on a bad bunch in Duran/ Whittaker/ Leonard (Although on a basis of head-to-head, i personally still think Manny AND Floyd would win 2 out of 3 of those fights).

And Henry Armstrong...? Yeah he was a great fighter, with a great engine and achieved a lot but again (for example) i just feel that both Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are almost a league above him.
11-23-2009, 09:12 PM
levi#1BoxingFan

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

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Originally Posted by ICB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimboogie

I dont see why there should be a bias for fighters from an older generation... IMO Manny Pacquiao is already better than the likes of Duran, Leonard, Whittaker etc... Is it so bad that i feel Floyd Mayweather is more accomplished than Hank Armstrong in every sense of the word?

I don't think he's really better than Pernell Whitaker, if Pernell Whitaker had not been robbed in his decision losses and draws coughs. He would be considered top 5 IMO, his only legit loss is too Felix Trinidad when he was way past his prime and having problems with drugs. Just take a look at this record for a second.

Azumah Nelson
Jose Luis Ramirez x2
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Greg Haugen
Wilfredo Rivera x2
Diosbelys Hurtado
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Buddy McGirt x2
Rafael Pineda
Freddie Pendleton
Anthony Jones
Policarpo Diaz
Jorge Paez

I think he won all of these fights, plus take into account his other achievements.

World titles.

Lightweight 10 title wins including the 1st Jose Luis Ramirez fight.
Jr Welterweight
Welterweight 10 title wins including Julio Cesar Chavez and ODLH.
Jr Middleweight

And for the record i think Pernell Whitaker, would of beaten Manny Pacquiao by atleast 8 rounds to 4.

Finally as for Roberto Duran his record speaks for itself.

That list isnt impressive IMO. Pacquiao has faced better opposition. No chance Pernell would beat the Pacquiao right now prime for prime. Give me negative strikes all you want but i think when Manny Pacquiao's career is over, he will be around the world considered Top 3 of all time! (when his career is over).
11-23-2009, 09:17 PM
ICB

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimboogie

I dont see why there should be a bias for fighters from an older generation... IMO Manny Pacquiao is already better than the likes of Duran, Leonard, Whittaker etc... Is it so bad that i feel Floyd Mayweather is more accomplished than Hank Armstrong in every sense of the word?

I don't think he's really better than Pernell Whitaker, if Pernell Whitaker had not been robbed in his decision losses and draws coughs. He would be considered top 5 IMO, his only legit loss is too Felix Trinidad when he was way past his prime and having problems with drugs. Just take a look at this record for a second.

Azumah Nelson
Jose Luis Ramirez x2
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Greg Haugen
Wilfredo Rivera x2
Diosbelys Hurtado
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Buddy McGirt x2
Rafael Pineda
Freddie Pendleton
Anthony Jones
Policarpo Diaz
Jorge Paez

I think he won all of these fights, plus take into account his other achievements.

World titles.

Lightweight 10 title wins including the 1st Jose Luis Ramirez fight.
Jr Welterweight
Welterweight 10 title wins including Julio Cesar Chavez and ODLH.
Jr Middleweight

And for the record i think Pernell Whitaker, would of beaten Manny Pacquiao by atleast 8 rounds to 4.

Finally as for Roberto Duran his record speaks for itself.

That list isnt impressive IMO. Pacquiao has faced better opposition. No chance Pernell would beat the Pacquiao right now prime for prime. Give me negative strikes all you want but i think when Manny Pacquiao's career is over, he will be around the world considered Top 3 of all time! (when his career is over).

Azumah Nelson-----> Erik Morales
Julio Cesar Chavez-----> MAB
Prime ODLH-----> JMM
Buddy McGirt-----> Miguel Cotto
Jose Luis Ramirez-----> Ricky Hatton

If you don't think that list is impressive im speechless.
11-23-2009, 09:22 PM
Intazzz

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

Top 5

If Manny Pacquiao KO Floyd Mayweather Jr. I'll put him higher.
11-23-2009, 09:24 PM
kingfrnk

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

Quote:

Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Quote:

Originally Posted by ICB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimboogie

I dont see why there should be a bias for fighters from an older generation... IMO Manny Pacquiao is already better than the likes of Duran, Leonard, Whittaker etc... Is it so bad that i feel Floyd Mayweather is more accomplished than Hank Armstrong in every sense of the word?

I don't think he's really better than Pernell Whitaker, if Pernell Whitaker had not been robbed in his decision losses and draws coughs. He would be considered top 5 IMO, his only legit loss is too Felix Trinidad when he was way past his prime and having problems with drugs. Just take a look at this record for a second.

Azumah Nelson
Jose Luis Ramirez x2
Julio Cesar Chavez
Oscar De La Hoya
Greg Haugen
Wilfredo Rivera x2
Diosbelys Hurtado
Julio Cesar Vasquez
Buddy McGirt x2
Rafael Pineda
Freddie Pendleton
Anthony Jones
Policarpo Diaz
Jorge Paez

I think he won all of these fights, plus take into account his other achievements.

World titles.

Lightweight 10 title wins including the 1st Jose Luis Ramirez fight.
Jr Welterweight
Welterweight 10 title wins including Julio Cesar Chavez and ODLH.
Jr Middleweight

And for the record i think Pernell Whitaker, would of beaten Manny Pacquiao by atleast 8 rounds to 4.

Finally as for Roberto Duran his record speaks for itself.

That list isnt impressive IMO. Pacquiao has faced better opposition. No chance Pernell would beat the Pacquiao right now prime for prime. Give me negative strikes all you want but i think when Manny Pacquiao's career is over, he will be around the world considered Top 3 of all time! (when his career is over).

:vd:
11-23-2009, 10:20 PM
iwng100

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?
I think we should not hurry up and wait until the final bell of this fight, if it will happen.
11-24-2009, 12:34 AM
brucelee

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

Pac has been in my top 10 ATG after he demolished Hatton in just 2 rounds. He's in my top 5 after he outclassed Cotto. His fights with Hatton and Cotto showed us the difference between great fighters and top 5 all time greats.

IMO, he will be my GOAT if he defeats Mayweather.
11-24-2009, 05:25 AM
TheBranMan

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

If he beats Floyd, which I don't think he will, I'll eat my words and rank him in the top 20, depending on the fashion in which he does it, possibly even top 15. Same goes for Floyd if he beats Pacquiao. However, I don't think most fans will ever give PBF the credit that he deserves for his skill-set.
Also, I really don't see how people can possibly be ranking him above SRR, Armstrong, Ali, Leonard, Duran, Hagler, etc. :o Not one, but two highly disputed matches against JMM? Please..
11-24-2009, 06:06 AM
Majesty

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

How about where would you rank Floyd when he beats Pacquiao?

And top 20 if Pacquiao beats Floyd. But I don't see that happening.
11-24-2009, 09:28 AM
mike_scfld

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

Pac at the moment is within top 7, to me way above Duran. Duran has a questionable heart (no mas, no mas) just a pure brawler doesnt have the beauty of in and out, lateral movement, etc. Pac is way better than Duran in style and resume. If he beats Mayweather he is absolutely within top 3. Pac is a combination of Duran and Leonard to me.

Floyd beating Manny doesnt make him at top 20. He should step up and fights better oppositions bigger than him like what Manny did all his career. at the moment he is fighting good smaller opponents bloating them up to his comfortable weights, eg. Hatton and JMM, far from being a great fighter.
11-24-2009, 10:08 AM
BIG H

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

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Originally Posted by mike_scfld

Pac at the moment is within top 7, to me way above Duran. Duran has a questionable heart (no mas, no mas) just a pure brawler doesnt have the beauty of in and out, lateral movement, etc. Pac is way better than Duran in style and resume. If he beats Mayweather he is absolutely within top 3. Pac is a combination of Duran and Leonard to me.

Floyd beating Manny doesnt make him at top 20. He should step up and fights better oppositions bigger than him like what Manny did all his career. at the moment he is fighting good smaller opponents bloating them up to his comfortable weights, eg. Hatton and JMM, far from being a great fighter.

:confused:

Floyd fought for 8 years as a pro before he reached 140 (Hatton's career weight) DLH fought for the World Middleweight title, Zudah never lower than LWW, Baldomir a career WW.

Completely disagree with your Duran opinion too
11-24-2009, 10:29 AM
paddy448

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

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Originally Posted by mike_scfld

Pac at the moment is within top 7, to me way above Duran. Duran has a questionable heart (no mas, no mas) just a pure brawler doesnt have the beauty of in and out, lateral movement, etc. Pac is way better than Duran in style and resume. If he beats Mayweather he is absolutely within top 3. Pac is a combination of Duran and Leonard to me.

Floyd beating Manny doesnt make him at top 20. He should step up and fights better oppositions bigger than him like what Manny did all his career. at the moment he is fighting good smaller opponents bloating them up to his comfortable weights, eg. Hatton and JMM, far from being a great fighter.

thats got to be the dumbest thing i heard in a long time, i not even gonna try and tell u why that is so stupid, it just is, WTF MAN
11-24-2009, 10:36 AM
TheBranMan

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by mike_scfld

Pac at the moment is within top 7, to me way above Duran. Duran has a questionable heart (no mas, no mas) just a pure brawler doesnt have the beauty of in and out, lateral movement, etc. Pac is way better than Duran in style and resume. If he beats Mayweather he is absolutely within top 3. Pac is a combination of Duran and Leonard to me.

Floyd beating Manny doesnt make him at top 20. He should step up and fights better oppositions bigger than him like what Manny did all his career. at the moment he is fighting good smaller opponents bloating them up to his comfortable weights, eg. Hatton and JMM, far from being a great fighter.

:confused:

Floyd fought for 8 years as a pro before he reached 140 (Hatton's career weight) DLH fought for the World Middleweight title, Zudah never lower than LWW, Baldomir a career WW.

Completely disagree with your Duran opinion too

People will never be able to admit that Floyd has beaten the best. They will always say he has fought nobodys (yet you'll always find a number of these nobodies on their favorite fighters list). My argument is simple.. he just makes it look like hes fighting nobodies :D
11-24-2009, 10:36 AM
Majesty

Re: How high would you rank Manny in ATG if he beats PBF?

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_scfld

Pac at the moment is within top 7, to me way above Duran. Duran has a questionable heart (no mas, no mas) just a pure brawler doesnt have the beauty of in and out, lateral movement, etc. Pac is way better than Duran in style and resume. If he beats Mayweather he is absolutely within top 3. Pac is a combination of Duran and Leonard to me.

Floyd beating Manny doesnt make him at top 20. He should step up and fights better oppositions bigger than him like what Manny did all his career. at the moment he is fighting good smaller opponents bloating them up to his comfortable weights, eg. Hatton and JMM, far from being a great fighter.

Its funny how in the near 40 fights Mayweather has had he fights one guy he is bigger then(Marquez) while everyone else has been same size or bigger then him and people are saying he doesn't fight people his own size ;D

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