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The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
That's the perfect description of how the Israelis have conducted themselves over the years. They've even started admitting publicly that the recent war crimes in Gaza are just to subjugate the Palestinians and that future war crimes will be even more brutal.
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RozzySean
Six cunts voted yes????
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.
The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.
How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.
OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:
A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.
Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"
Bull shit.
I put the word Terrorist as explained straight from the American Dictionary for you just above.
The meaning hasnt changed since it was written in there. It can be used by goverments and military personal, its not just having a different belief system a black and white tea towel on your head sneaking around planting bombs in public domains that separates terrorists.
We torture some of our captives and so do you.
We remove the public (kill them accidentally) and use the excuse war casualties as if that makes it any different.
The meaning ends with the key words ... for some cause.
ahh correction . .to achieve some goal.
Ring any bells?
You too Sean :read it take it in I dare you too see both sides.
I see your point but it has nothing to do with the question,you also forgot to mention that my grandparents suffered and died for their eventual freedom.
Its the definition . Simple question /zero emotional bullshit/ just a simple question.
There is two sides to every story and Israel has killed innocent women and children and has toutured its captives last time I looked in the dictionary (and that was today) it still ment exactly that, so get off your emotional high horse and face some facts.
We are all guilty of it.
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....well I am totally shocked that Kirkland thinks that Israel is bad :shakehead:
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Btw I do see your points they are valid but not the be all and end all of the situation, It doesnt make you cunts or make me say fuck you for having these points of view.
Interesting couple of threads we have going here anyway gentlemen / climate change and Israel.
Heres to you lot sitting in front of fires looking at snow and me under a cool air conditioner just off down to the beach.
We are worlds apart.
:drinker::drinker:cheers.
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I had a feeling that this would be thread that would spark some debate, but I didn't realise that it would get so heated and off the rails.
I understand the holocaust argument and agree that the Nazi genocide was a terrible thing, but in what way does that justify giving those of a specific religion their own manufactured country? I am not religious and have no interest in what the Bible has to say on this matter. You can't just split up Palestine and hope for peace ever after. Israel has been an imperial power in the Middle East and supplied with weaponry and funded by the US. The building of settlements on occupied land is criminal and the international community still refuses to command Israel to give back the land. It's interesting that Israeli's could persecute and torture a race of people despite their own recent history. You would think the experience of genocide would have given them a greater sense of humanity, but instead they seem to have put a milder version in its place. Sad really.
Israel was a big mistake and we have been paying for it ever since. It was an ill conceived move formed out of a collective guilt over the holocaust. Unforunately, it has led to the persecution of Palestinians who had nothing to do with the Nazi's nor the holocaust. I see no way to justify how the Israeli's have behaved. Unfortunately, the US has continually given suppport to what in my view is clearly a terrorist state and without a US veto they will continue to be a terrorist state. If any country should be part of the "axis of evil", Israel would have to be one.
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While my sympathies lie largely with the Palestinians, IMO the Israeli - Palestinian conflict is one in which neither side can be looked at as wholly "right" or "wrong". In some sense I understand the actions taken by both sides. The situation has been a clusterfuck for nearly a century (thanks Britain and Frace) and while in my opinion the country of Israel never should have been established in the way it was, it is far too late to simply decry it's existence. I really don't think there is a clear solution to the problems wracking that region and I can't foresee it being resolved anytime soon.
And the Holocaust is no justification for the actions of the Israeli administrations. That is a ridiculous argument. The legacy of the Holocaust may inform some of the decisions made by the leaders, but it in no way absolves them of any wrong-doing and it is no justification for the inhumane treatment of others.
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Kirkland Laing
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RozzySean
Six cunts voted yes????
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.
The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.
How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.
OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:
A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.
Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"
The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.
And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.
The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.
The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?
These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.
Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.
Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.
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Actually, that's pretty one of the hugest topics I did work over:
First thing to know is that Paleatinians have been pushed away and taken a part of their land which has been hand to the zionists. Already there, it stinks, it's like if the government would come to your place and take half of your lawn to put a family on it saying "because we have to put them somewhere".
Second thing to know is that since 1967, Israel occupies Gaza illegally, going further than the boundaries that have been decided. Doing so, they destroyed countless production fields (orange and other fruits) so their tanks can pass. They even ovetook Palestinian's water which means the Palestinians drink if they decide that they can and that, once they have no more need for water (the israelites). Since 1967, more than 240 motions have been issues for War Crimes and other at the UN against Israel but the US did use their veto to protect them every time. It is kinda not normal and it is a very angering situation, if I would have a problem, that the court would give me right every damn time but that somebody high placed in the government would put a gag on the court decision each time, I would feel flawed and I would ponder about making justice by myself, at some point.
Third, as much as we can't caution it, the "terrorist attacks" have been an answer to the relentless aggression against Palestine, the Al-Aqsa Mosque massacre, the systematic destruction of most Palestinians infrastructure, the horrible bombings with 500 pounds bomb to kill a Hamas responsible living in the heart of the city (killing at the same time countless innocents but hey, did they have the choice to use that method?). Israel took some extreme mesures to punish families too: If somebody in your family, brother, sister or cousin does a "terrorist" attack, the blow out your house with bulldozers, even if you did nothing. Anybody know any better way to fuel hate?
Is Israel a terrorist state? Sadly and most definitely yeah. You want to cut on terrorism and to extinguish extremists fire? Freeze the forced colonization in Gaza, give them back their land pre 1967 and slowly, it will get back to normal.
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Israel is a proud holy nation that has been subjected to ridiculous accusations over the years that time and time again prove to be completely dumbfounded
Like most of the conflict throughout the world right now islam is guilty for failing to understand and abide to the laws that the rest of the world outside of its perimeter abide too.
If the religion continues going down the dark road is it now heading it will not be long before we enter another idealogical war
I've missed you Hammer. That post is just all-round brilliance. Is this the kind of 'idealogical' war we're headed to??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnT8Ubogdog
I've been wanting to use a South Park video as a reference for months, finally found a video short enough ;D
your not related to darkus howe are you merkin??
Palestine is a state run by terrorists. They deserve no sympathy whatsoever and they have blood on their hands for every single israeli man/woman/childs death
the same does not apply the other way around!!
You are aware that during this "war", 10 palestinians died for every single israelite? You're aware of how it started and how they used tanks and F-16 (ISrael) to mash everything on their way? You're also aware that terrorism started after 40 years, mnore or less, because nobody did nothing about them and because the US always used their veto at the United Nations to derail the war crime motions voted at the almost unanimity against Israel?
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Andre
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Kirkland Laing
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RozzySean
Six cunts voted yes????
Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.
The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.
How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.
OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:
A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.
Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"
The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.
And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.
The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.
The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?
These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.
Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.
Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.
The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.
But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.
The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.
Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.
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Nameless
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hattonthehammer
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JazMerkin
I've missed you Hammer. That post is just all-round brilliance. Is this the kind of 'idealogical' war we're headed to??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnT8UbogdogI've been wanting to use a South Park video as a reference for months, finally found a video short enough ;D
your not related to darkus howe are you merkin??
Palestine is a state run by terrorists. They deserve no sympathy whatsoever and they have blood on their hands for every single israeli man/woman/childs death
the same does not apply the other way around!!
You are aware that during this "war", 10 palestinians died for every single israelite? You're aware of how it started and how they used tanks and F-16 (ISrael) to mash everything on their way? You're also aware that terrorism started after 40 years, mnore or less, because nobody did nothing about them and because the US always used their veto at the United Nations to derail the war crime motions voted at the almost unanimity against Israel?
Really??? You have no fucking clue. The PLO has existed almost as long as the occupation. You know what the Jordanians did to the PLO on THEIR side of the river???? I bet you don't. They fucking killed them all. Bombed the camps completedly, women and children be damned. Nobody even talks about it. It's OK for Arabs to protect themselves with EXTREME methods. Israeli's get a even a little heavy handed and it's, "those fucking evil money grubbing Jews. Terrorist state." Fact.
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RozzySean
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Nameless
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hattonthehammer
your not related to darkus howe are you merkin??
Palestine is a state run by terrorists. They deserve no sympathy whatsoever and they have blood on their hands for every single israeli man/woman/childs death
the same does not apply the other way around!!
You are aware that during this "war", 10 palestinians died for every single israelite? You're aware of how it started and how they used tanks and F-16 (ISrael) to mash everything on their way? You're also aware that terrorism started after 40 years, mnore or less, because nobody did nothing about them and because the US always used their veto at the United Nations to derail the war crime motions voted at the almost unanimity against Israel?
Really??? You have no fucking clue. The PLO has existed almost as long as the occupation. You know what the Jordanians did to the PLO on THEIR side of the river???? I bet you don't. They fucking killed them all. Bombed the camps completedly, women and children be damned. Nobody even talks about it. It's OK for Arabs to protect themselves with EXTREME methods. Israeli's get a even a little heavy handed and it's, "those fucking evil money grubbing Jews. Terrorist state." Fact.
I know probably more than you and you won't fold me off with your empty rhetoric, sorry mon ami. Israelite stole astronomic lands to Palestinians, Syrians (Golan heights) and such, they were sentenced for war crimes and for numerous breaches to the international laws but as they serve as the faithful puppy of the Americans for so many years, the US used their veto to protect them every damn time.
Heavy handed? Well, forced colonies, killing more than 10 palestinians out for every jews killed (and let's note who did begin over there), destroying fields so their tanks may pass, bombing with intelligent bombs anywhere they please in Gaza, controlling illegal lands since 1967 and I am not even mentioning the rest including torture by the Mossad, destruction of houses of innocent families because someone they knew did something against them and you call that light handed? You must be kidding there, that or you're an Israelite and you're very pissed off that we know the truth about what's going on on that side of the world and that the general propaganda didn't work.
Oh, and by the way, I never said something as "monkey grabbing jews" or any other racist slur, don't pull that racist trick on me, it definitely won't work.
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RozzySean
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Andre
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Kirkland Laing
The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.
And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.
The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.
The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?
These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.
Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.
Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.
The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.
But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.
The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.
Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.
If there is one thing, everything Andre wrote was everything but racist and anti-semitic, he just covered the whole thing pretty well and it seems to go against your personal interests. And Israel handling situations? Never. They always turned the whole thing into a mess, just to this day they propose peace but continue forced colonies in sensitive eras, talk about a way to propose peace hehe. Stealing loads and loads of earth since 1967 is also a very good way to foster peace, isn't it? It is all bollocks, they just want a coerced and forced slow assimilation of Gaza or if it's not what they want, it's exactly how they act at the moment and how they did since they got illegally handed a part of Palestine by the English.
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Originally Posted by
RozzySean
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
Kirkland Laing
The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.
And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.
The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.
The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?
These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.
Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.
Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.
The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.
But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.
The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.
Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.
Dont you dare place my name with anti semantics you have already called me a cunt and told me to get fucked.
I actually love everybody equally, Jewish and you included.
You started the crap and name calling in here not us
Is Israel a terrorist state? That was the question.
It is doing terrorist style activities and so is my government and so is the USA's government too.
(That's the bit you need to except and get over, we are all guilty of backing it).
Im ashamed that my tax dollar has been used to kill innocent women and kids.
Then the conversation has grown into why the American government has backed the Jewish nation and still does.
I personally think that originally the opening appeared and they thought this could be a good position to be in right in the thick of the middle east..also we have the compassion card to play so we wil be backed by the public.
Its money and it is fukkin good business mate and now business is fueled by guess what? Oh yeah the stuff we invaded Kuwait over.
If it is for any other reason I'd love to know what it is, please tell me.
It sure isnt on compassionate grounds is it?
If it was we would of saved Saraevo, kosko, Albanians, the Ugandan people, The people of nth Korea.
Kampuchea, The Kurds! the list goes on and on but they are not in business, they havent any cash or position.That isnt anti Jewish, it is simple observation.
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