Is Israel a terrorist state?

[RozzySean]

Six cunts voted yes?

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.

The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.

How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.

OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:

A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.

Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"

[Kirkland Laing]

Six cunts voted yes?

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.

The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.

How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.

OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:

A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.

Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"

The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.

And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.

[Andre]

Six cunts voted yes?

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.

The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.

How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.

OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:

A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.

Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"

The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.

And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.

The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.

The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?

These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.

Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.

Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.

[Nameless]

Actually, that's pretty one of the hugest topics I did work over:

First thing to know is that Paleatinians have been pushed away and taken a part of their land which has been hand to the zionists. Already there, it stinks, it's like if the government would come to your place and take half of your lawn to put a family on it saying "because we have to put them somewhere".
Second thing to know is that since 1967, Israel occupies Gaza illegally, going further than the boundaries that have been decided. Doing so, they destroyed countless production fields (orange and other fruits) so their tanks can pass. They even ovetook Palestinian's water which means the Palestinians drink if they decide that they can and that, once they have no more need for water (the israelites). Since 1967, more than 240 motions have been issues for War Crimes and other at the UN against Israel but the US did use their veto to protect them every time. It is kinda not normal and it is a very angering situation, if I would have a problem, that the court would give me right every damn time but that somebody high placed in the government would put a gag on the court decision each time, I would feel flawed and I would ponder about making justice by myself, at some point.
Third, as much as we can't caution it, the "terrorist attacks" have been an answer to the relentless aggression against Palestine, the Al-Aqsa Mosque massacre, the systematic destruction of most Palestinians infrastructure, the horrible bombings with 500 pounds bomb to kill a Hamas responsible living in the heart of the city (killing at the same time countless innocents but hey, did they have the choice to use that method?). Israel took some extreme mesures to punish families too: If somebody in your family, brother, sister or cousin does a "terrorist" attack, the blow out your house with bulldozers, even if you did nothing. Anybody know any better way to fuel hate?

Is Israel a terrorist state? Sadly and most definitely yeah. You want to cut on terrorism and to extinguish extremists fire? Freeze the forced colonization in Gaza, give them back their land pre 1967 and slowly, it will get back to normal.

[RozzySean]

Six cunts voted yes?

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.

The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.

How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.

OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:

A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.

Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"

The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.

And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.

The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.

The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?

These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.

Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.

Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.

The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.

But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.

The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.

Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.

[Nameless]

The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.

And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.

The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.

The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?

These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.

Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.

Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.

The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.

But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.

The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.

Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.

If there is one thing, everything Andre wrote was everything but racist and anti-semitic, he just covered the whole thing pretty well and it seems to go against your personal interests. And Israel handling situations? Never. They always turned the whole thing into a mess, just to this day they propose peace but continue forced colonies in sensitive eras, talk about a way to propose peace hehe. Stealing loads and loads of earth since 1967 is also a very good way to foster peace, isn't it? It is all bollocks, they just want a coerced and forced slow assimilation of Gaza or if it's not what they want, it's exactly how they act at the moment and how they did since they got illegally handed a part of Palestine by the English.

[Andre]

The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.

And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.

The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.

The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?

These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.

Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.

Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.

The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.

But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.

The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.

Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.

Dont you dare place my name with anti semantics you have already called me a cunt and told me to get fucked.


I actually love everybody equally, Jewish and you included.

You started the crap and name calling in here not us

Is Israel a terrorist state? That was the question.

It is doing terrorist style activities and so is my government and so is the USA's government too.

(That's the bit you need to except and get over, we are all guilty of backing it).
Im ashamed that my tax dollar has been used to kill innocent women and kids.


Then the conversation has grown into why the American government has backed the Jewish nation and still does.

I personally think that originally the opening appeared and they thought this could be a good position to be in right in the thick of the middle east..also we have the compassion card to play so we wil be backed by the public.

Its money and it is fukkin good business mate and now business is fueled by guess what? Oh yeah the stuff we invaded Kuwait over.

If it is for any other reason I'd love to know what it is, please tell me.

It sure isnt on compassionate grounds is it?
If it was we would of saved Saraevo, kosko, Albanians, the Ugandan people, The people of nth Korea.
Kampuchea, The Kurds! the list goes on and on but they are not in business, they havent any cash or position.That isnt anti Jewish, it is simple observation.

[Kirkland Laing]

The Palestinians were never handed anything that remotely resembled a state. Barak couldn't even make any public offer to Israel because the nutjob religious/settler parties in his governing coalition would have collapsed the government.

And the Holocaust was a terrible thing but that doesn't then justify a further wrong in giving somebody else's land to Jews to start their own state.

The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.

The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?

These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.

Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.

Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.

The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.

But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.

The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.

Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.

Israel has never tried to find a peaceful solution to the problem, quite the opposite in fact. No Israeli government is capable of making any kind of good-faith peace offer as the balance of power in Israel is always held by extremist religious parties who have the power to collapse any government at any time. Currently Netanyahu can't even order a freeze on settlement building on Palestinian land because if he does it's the end of his government.

[RozzySean]

The Jewish fortunes are behind most of our largest businesses I imagine America is the same and most of the owners live here and are welcome.

The largest businesses of the Western world are ran on energy and need a foothold in the East anyway, what better way for the west to infiltrate the East but to hand over to their richest merchants land from the occupiers?

These are smart men who play with normal peoples emotional states for larger reasons that eventually pay off for themselves and their ways; the whole thing went exactly to their plan.

Now some of the surrounding areas are kicking up over control of that old power source that indirectly fuels the world markets, be interesting if the surrounding countries and states get a majority of the % in oil control above Americas and see who sides with who and who ends up with their hand firmly on the business worlds controls.

Or will nth Korea, China and Iran divide us all up.

The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.

But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.

The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.

Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.

Israel has never tried to find a peaceful solution to the problem, quite the opposite in fact. No Israeli government is capable of making any kind of good-faith peace offer as the balance of power in Israel is always held by extremist religious parties who have the power to collapse any government at any time. Currently Netanyahu can't even order a freeze on settlement building on Palestinian land because if he does it's the end of his government.

Wrong. Barak and Rabin both tried to find peaceful solutions. Labour governments have be formed without getting in bed with Shas or the other right wing parties. Both of those PMs have supported two state solutions. The other side doesn't believe Israel should exist as a a state at all. Yes, Bibi is dependent on far right to keep his government together, but a signficant reason why Bibi was able to draw together a coalition is that so many Israeli peaceniks jumped ship because it became clear that the other side wasn't interested in peace.

I've lived there. I've broken bread with both ultra-orthodox Jews and ordinary Palestinians. The settlements are not the real issue. It's all about Jerusalem's sovereignty, "the right of return", and both indirectly and directly, the right of Israel to exist at all. I have a good friend who is an Israeli-Arab. Israel could dismantle every settlement, even the ones that are Jerusalem suburbs at this point. Without giving back full sovereignty of the entire old city of Jersusalem and giving "right of return" the Palestinians have no interest in a peaceful solution. The things Israel would have to give the Palestinians at this point would be the first step of the end of Israel.

[CFH]

This is one of those topics, much like the ever-present left-right debates, in which everyone has already made up their minds about their position and are essentially immoveable on it.

[Nameless]

The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.

But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.

The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.

Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.

Israel has never tried to find a peaceful solution to the problem, quite the opposite in fact. No Israeli government is capable of making any kind of good-faith peace offer as the balance of power in Israel is always held by extremist religious parties who have the power to collapse any government at any time. Currently Netanyahu can't even order a freeze on settlement building on Palestinian land because if he does it's the end of his government.

Wrong. Barak and Rabin both tried to find peaceful solutions. Labour governments have be formed without getting in bed with Shas or the other right wing parties. Both of those PMs have supported two state solutions. The other side doesn't believe Israel should exist as a a state at all. Yes, Bibi is dependent on far right to keep his government together, but a signficant reason why Bibi was able to draw together a coalition is that so many Israeli peaceniks jumped ship because it became clear that the other side wasn't interested in peace.

I've lived there. I've broken bread with both ultra-orthodox Jews and ordinary Palestinians. The settlements are not the real issue. It's all about Jerusalem's sovereignty, "the right of return", and both indirectly and directly, the right of Israel to exist at all. I have a good friend who is an Israeli-Arab. Israel could dismantle every settlement, even the ones that are Jerusalem suburbs at this point. Without giving back full sovereignty of the entire old city of Jersusalem and giving "right of return" the Palestinians have no interest in a peaceful solution. The things Israel would have to give the Palestinians at this point would be the first step of the end of Israel.

Yeah, and Rabin got murdered.... by an ultra orthodox member of one of the ultra orthodox circle... ironic indeed and to me, a good prove that, just like Kirklang said, the Ultra Orthodox do not want peace.
Also, we all know that the wall of Lament and Jerusalem thing is THE main issue. HOWEVER, the colonies are a big big deal because the Palestinians feel it is a forced colonization of their land... which is. These colonizations are also, if you look carefully, on every damn peace route sheet that has been traced, the very first step to peace. Not the main core but one of the very very important points indeed. It is also very phony to say that Palestinians do not want peace, most of them want, at some point I recall a cease fire where the Hamas and the Islamist Jyhad totally stopped to fire till... Israel started to murder some of their members again, which did just spiral out violence once more.
These peoples are humans like anybody, they got their land stolen and want it back, if their land wouldn'thave been stolen, violence would never ever spiral out of control like today, it is false to only claim "they don't want peace" without looking to how it did all happen. I can suggest you a few books about the creation of Israel and the Mossad, with things that jewish legends such as David Ben Gourion, Meir Amit or Rafa Eitan said about these things and the murders they did carry for the cause, perhaps then you would not see all pink for Israel.

[Kirkland Laing]

The old "Jewish Fortunes" argument. Wow. You are so misinformed. They were handed the foundation of a perfectly viable state. The only "settlements" that would remain were basically suburbs of Jerusalem. It wasn't perfect, but it was a great start, and the PA and Arafat spit in the face of everyone trying to find a peaceful solution.

But Jews control the money and make passover matzo with the blood of Arab children, right, Mr Farakan?? Yeah, Jewish money has more influence than Arab oil fortunes. For sure.

The Palestinians have gotten the shaft, for sure, but they have been screwed and exploited by their Arab brothers at every opportunity. Fact. Have the Israelis handled every situation perfectly? No. But Arab leadership is just as responsible for their hardship. Fact. Bottom line.

Andre, you are talking the same anti-semitic myths that have been the basis for Jew-hating for 1000 years. Classic.

Israel has never tried to find a peaceful solution to the problem, quite the opposite in fact. No Israeli government is capable of making any kind of good-faith peace offer as the balance of power in Israel is always held by extremist religious parties who have the power to collapse any government at any time. Currently Netanyahu can't even order a freeze on settlement building on Palestinian land because if he does it's the end of his government.

Wrong. Barak and Rabin both tried to find peaceful solutions. Labour governments have be formed without getting in bed with Shas or the other right wing parties. Both of those PMs have supported two state solutions. The other side doesn't believe Israel should exist as a a state at all. Yes, Bibi is dependent on far right to keep his government together, but a signficant reason why Bibi was able to draw together a coalition is that so many Israeli peaceniks jumped ship because it became clear that the other side wasn't interested in peace.

I've lived there. I've broken bread with both ultra-orthodox Jews and ordinary Palestinians. The settlements are not the real issue. It's all about Jerusalem's sovereignty, "the right of return", and both indirectly and directly, the right of Israel to exist at all. I have a good friend who is an Israeli-Arab. Israel could dismantle every settlement, even the ones that are Jerusalem suburbs at this point. Without giving back full sovereignty of the entire old city of Jersusalem and giving "right of return" the Palestinians have no interest in a peaceful solution. The things Israel would have to give the Palestinians at this point would be the first step of the end of Israel.

Barak couldn't even make a public offer at Camp David because his government would have collapsed overnight back in Israel if he had done. After the talks collapsed he claimed he'd made a peace offer but in reality he didn't, and that's according to the Clinton officials who were there at the time. Rabin was shot by a Jewish extremist before he could make any peace offer but any offer would have collapsed his government too. The people who hold the balance of power in Israeli politics are people who believe the whole of the West Bank is Israeli and their holy book gives them the right to take it back and drive the Palestinians into Jordan. Add on guys like Lieberman who are outright fascists and you have a bloc that can veto any kind of peace move. If you honestly beleive the settlemets -- Israel building on the 22% of historic Palestine that they etnically cleansed the Palestinians into -- aren't an obstacle to any settlement then there's nothing I can say. Israel have done everything they can to block any kind of peaceful settlement over the years.

In the long run unless Israel can make a viable good-faith peace offer they're fucked, as some of their politicians are now realising. But because the nutjobs have a veto over any peace plan they're destined to face a South Africa-like situation and eventually be subsumed in a one-state solution which will be majority Palestinian.

[Andre]

Six cunts voted yes?

Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you. Fuck you all again.

The Palestinians were handed a country on a silver platter by Ehud Barak and they started a jihad in response. If you think Israel is a terrorist state, then either you deny it's right to exist or you don't know shit about shit.

How about this, if all Jews AND their decendents who lost their homes, property, and families in the Holocaust get "Right of Return" in France, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Belorus, the Baltic States, Hungary, Austria, Romania, and Italy, we can talk about disbanding the state of Israel and giving "right of return" to the people who lost the wars THEY started.

OK, Europe, let's get going with plans to repatriate the Jewish population to which your Grandparents and Great-Grandparents:

A. Turned a blind, B. Collaborated against, C. Actively persecuted. Only Denmark has a clear conscience. Even the Brits denied refugees, who eventually ended up in gas chambers, as did the USA. At least the USA took in its share afterward.

Oh, what's that you say, "Sorry, shit happens!! We paid some reparations and gave you a patch of desert surrounded by a hostile population. We tried to give you Uganda but it didn't work out. It's all good now. Deal with it!. Just don't be too harsh with the people who are still trying to kill you, ok? Maybe the Americans can find you some space in Arizona? I hear the weather is similar!"

Bull shit.

I put the word Terrorist as explained straight from the American Dictionary for you just above.

The meaning hasnt changed since it was written in there. It can be used by goverments and military personal, its not just having a different belief system a black and white tea towel on your head sneaking around planting bombs in public domains that separates terrorists.

We torture some of our captives and so do you.

We remove the public (kill them accidentally) and use the excuse war casualties as if that makes it any different.

The meaning ends with the key words ... for some cause.

ahh correction . .to achieve some goal.

Ring any bells?


You too Sean :read it take it in I dare you too see both sides.

I see your point but it has nothing to do with the question,you also forgot to mention that my grandparents suffered and died for their eventual freedom.

Its the definition . Simple question /zero emotional bullshit/ just a simple question.

There is two sides to every story and Israel has killed innocent women and children and has toutured its captives last time I looked in the dictionary (and that was today) it still ment exactly that, so get off your emotional high horse and face some facts.

We are all guilty of it.