Nazim Richardson: We won't do what the other forty did...

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Originally Posted by eagle

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

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Originally Posted by Mar

I'm sorry i just don't see it, shane brings nothing new that floyd hasn't already seen or beaten. Not only that shane doesn't bring anything that others haven't already beaten. Nazim is a great trainer....but he doesn't fight. Rodger should get some credit as well, say what you will he trains the best boxer in the sport. No different than phil jackson sitting around and watching micheal jordan and kobe braynt play all these years. I've said it before one guy doesn't have to be shit just cause you don't like the other. If nazim was a miracle maker b hop would have done more than put most to sleep against a faded roy jones who lately can damn near be ko'ed during the ringwalk. Nazim knows, roach knew, nacho knew, grahamn knew blah blah blah. Shane is who he is, and older at that. Barring nazim finding something in floyds gloves he will fight the way he always does and always has...

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Bhop is forty five,and never showed the athletic skill of shane or RJJ for that matter. The fact that he did train bhop to level of success was a miracle. The last crap against roy was due to the fact that he was 45.

Besides All roger did was INHERIT floyd from floyd senior. I'm pretty sure with floyd's knowledge he could fight two fights without Roger in the corner. Shane on the other hand fights better with a better trainer. His father was one of the worst corner men I've ever witnessed and its a miracle that shane was so successful with that useless guy in his corner. The same thing you say about Shane, you can say of floyd.

Floyd Doesn't bring anything that shane hasn't already seen. And trainer or not Floyd will fight the same way he always has. He can become a victim of his own success.

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Who has Shane fought that fights like Mayweather? It amazes me how you make it sound so easy to beat a 40-0 5 division champ. Maybe you dhould be a world class trainer as it seems you gave it all figured out.

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I was making a point about how the same things can be said about both..Who has PBF fought that fights like shane?

Mosley needs to start strong in this one. He started way too slowly against Cotto and Mayorga and it was only when Cotto started to gas that Mosley really began to impose himself in that one. I think the first 4 rounds are crucial. Mosley can get disheartened if things are not going his way, so he really needs a good start here. Floyd is a slow starter himself so I don't think it is an unreasonble expectation and it will lead to a very interesting fight as the rounds build up.

Mosley really needs to use his reach advantage in this one and use the jab better than he has in the past. There is no point just rushing in with the hooks because we know Floyd will be able to pick them off or avoid them. Mosley was able to use the jab quite well against Margarito, but Margarito is a whole different ball game. Later on Mosley can take more risks with the wild hooks as Floyd will hopefully need to open up more himself by then, but I really think he needs to be careful early on and just make sure that he banks some rounds because it is most likely going to the cards. A good effective jab and combinations off of that is the way to do it. It's not too hard to be busier than Floyd so he really needs to hustle those early rounds and make it his fight.

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

if theres one man primed for the job of out thinking roger mayweather its nazim

Mosleys gotta adapt and adapt early, he also has got to dictate the pace of the fight and force floyd to do the unthinkable and actually try and instigate something

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Go back and watch the Judah fight. After seeing that judah was just as quick as Floyd and beating him with counters early, Roger's words to Floyd

"Go after him he doesn't want to fight"

If Shane can patiently circle until Floyd decides to come forward then we might see a super great fight...But I think they have a bit more respect for Shane than Judah, so I doubt Roger will say that to Floyd even if he were down on points.

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shane loves it on the back foot

margarito got a beatdown everytime he tried to get inside because shane just worked out early on what was coming with every attack. ODLH was the second man out every time he tried to get things going because of shanes blistering hand speed.

if floyd comes in and connects you can rest assured immidiately shane will be right back at him in a much more demanding fashion and floyd will question very early on whether thats the right path to go down

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Well lets see that sounds like it would fit into Mayweathers plan wouldnt it? If he hits Shane that shane is gonna try to come back at him more aggressively, wouldn't that then mean that Mayweather would have trained for that and be sitting back waiting to counter Shane when he comes in after getting tagged?

The only problem i have here is who too root for, i like both fighters equally for different reasons. I think i'll sit on the fence for this one.

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Originally Posted by miles

Mosley needs to start strong in this one. He started way too slowly against Cotto and Mayorga and it was only when Cotto started to gas that Mosley really began to impose himself in that one. I think the first 4 rounds are crucial. Mosley can get disheartened if things are not going his way, so he really needs a good start here. Floyd is a slow starter himself so I don't think it is an unreasonble expectation and it will lead to a very interesting fight as the rounds build up.

Mosley really needs to use his reach advantage in this one and use the jab better than he has in the past. There is no point just rushing in with the hooks because we know Floyd will be able to pick them off or avoid them. Mosley was able to use the jab quite well against Margarito, but Margarito is a whole different ball game. Later on Mosley can take more risks with the wild hooks as Floyd will hopefully need to open up more himself by then, but I really think he needs to be careful early on and just make sure that he banks some rounds because it is most likely going to the cards. A good effective jab and combinations off of that is the way to do it. It's not too hard to be busier than Floyd so he really needs to hustle those early rounds and make it his fight.

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Yeah think that is it right there... At least as far as a good plan to start with against Mayweather... If he just gives up the first 4 rounds while he warms up, then he's backing himself into a corner and Mayweather has a lot more freedom later.... Mayweather always looks better when he's not openly engaging, and clearly wins rounds even being much less active than his opponent..

If Mosley can at least take 4 of the first 6 rounds, the pressure goes back on Mayweather.. Scorecard pressure anyway... Something Mayweather doesn't deal with in his fights... It's hard to look good enough in enough area's against Mayweather to take rounds.. But if he can at least land as often, have a decent connect percentage, and be generally more aggressive, and land at least 3 or 4 thudding shots per round to get the points, then the second half of the fight could be very interesting...

I just think if Mayweather has 4 or 5 rounds of the first 6, it's going to go really downhill from there for Mosley..

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

if theres one man primed for the job of out thinking roger mayweather its nazim

Mosleys gotta adapt and adapt early, he also has got to dictate the pace of the fight and force floyd to do the unthinkable and actually try and instigate something

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Go back and watch the Judah fight. After seeing that judah was just as quick as Floyd and beating him with counters early, Roger's words to Floyd

"Go after him he doesn't want to fight"

If Shane can patiently circle until Floyd decides to come forward then we might see a super great fight...But I think they have a bit more respect for Shane than Judah, so I doubt Roger will say that to Floyd even if he were down on points.

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No but regardless of what Roger said in that fight... Floyd ALWAYS puts pressure (or at least, starts to fight off the front foot) on guys who are out boxing him (or at least dictating the range/ pace of the fight).

From Reggie Sanders to Oscar Dela Hoya ;)

If Mosley can dictate anything in this fight, he'll be on to either winning, or making Floyd look extremely negative.

I love Shane...great fighter with a warrior spirit. But with all due honesty...the last time he looked SENSATIONAL was in the first Oscar fight (and there are questions in regards to PEDs back then). People might jump up and down and say "what about Margarito?!" While Mosley deserves credit for that win...with the the circumstances around that fight (the hand wraps) and the fact that Tony, while a tough fighter, is nowhere close to the caliber of a Mayweather jr....you can't read to much into that victory. People keep mentioning Shane's speed. Mosley is no doubt still fast...but he does not possess the natural fluidity and sharpness of Floyd...especially now that he is 38 years old. To beat Floyd, you must have a GREAT jab. Shane does not have a great jab. His jab looked better against Margarito...but lets not kid ourselves...Tony is an easy guy to hit. All this does not mean Shane has no chance...especially since Naseem Richardson has had a positive impact on his fighting. But I see Floyd adapting to whatever Shane brings...and by round 5...he will have figured Mosley out completely and win on a UD.

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Originally Posted by ICB

The only problem i have here is who too root for, i like both fighters equally for different reasons. I think i'll sit on the fence for this one.

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Then go with the good guy;)

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

if theres one man primed for the job of out thinking roger mayweather its nazim

Mosleys gotta adapt and adapt early, he also has got to dictate the pace of the fight and force floyd to do the unthinkable and actually try and instigate something

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Hell, almost every trainer outthinks Rodger Mayweather... Without Floyds god given skills he'd be smoking crack somewhere.

But, yeah. Nazim is excellent. I will go as far ast to say he gives some of the best corner advice of any trainer in the sport today. I was very glad he has almost fully recovered from his stroke. The sport needs more like him and not the bunch of assholes who throw towels over their shoulders and call themselves trainers.

I agree.

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"Hell, almost every trainer outthinks Rodger Mayweather... Without Floyds god given skills he'd be smoking crack somewhere."

LMFAO!!!


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Originally Posted by zhubin

I love Shane...great fighter with a warrior spirit. But with all due honesty...the last time he looked SENSATIONAL was in the first Oscar fight (and there are questions in regards to PEDs back then). People might jump up and down and say "what about Margarito?!" While Mosley deserves credit for that win...with the the circumstances around that fight (the hand wraps) and the fact that Tony, while a tough fighter, is nowhere close to the caliber of a Mayweather jr....you can't read to much into that victory. People keep mentioning Shane's speed. Mosley is no doubt still fast...but he does not possess the natural fluidity and sharpness of Floyd...especially now that he is 38 years old. To beat Floyd, you must have a GREAT jab. Shane does not have a great jab. His jab looked better against Margarito...but lets not kid ourselves...Tony is an easy guy to hit. All this does not mean Shane has no chance...especially since Naseem Richardson has had a positive impact on his fighting. But I see Floyd adapting to whatever Shane brings...and by round 5...he will have figured Mosley out completely and win on a UD.

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Mosely wasnt involved with balco back in 2000 during the first oscar fight. He wasn't introduced to Vic Vonte unitl the rematch..2003

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

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Originally Posted by zhubin

I love Shane...great fighter with a warrior spirit. But with all due honesty...the last time he looked SENSATIONAL was in the first Oscar fight (and there are questions in regards to PEDs back then). People might jump up and down and say "what about Margarito?!" While Mosley deserves credit for that win...with the the circumstances around that fight (the hand wraps) and the fact that Tony, while a tough fighter, is nowhere close to the caliber of a Mayweather jr....you can't read to much into that victory. People keep mentioning Shane's speed. Mosley is no doubt still fast...but he does not possess the natural fluidity and sharpness of Floyd...especially now that he is 38 years old. To beat Floyd, you must have a GREAT jab. Shane does not have a great jab. His jab looked better against Margarito...but lets not kid ourselves...Tony is an easy guy to hit. All this does not mean Shane has no chance...especially since Naseem Richardson has had a positive impact on his fighting. But I see Floyd adapting to whatever Shane brings...and by round 5...he will have figured Mosley out completely and win on a UD.

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Mosely wasnt involved with balco back in 2000 during the first oscar fight. He wasn't introduced to Vic Vonte unitl the rematch..2003

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Thanks for pointing that out...i got a bit confused with the PED timetable. He was absolutely sensational in that first Oscar fight..all the more impressive since he came up in weight. I just remember him being so lighting fast...darting in and out with combo's. For me...that, along with is incredible run at lightweight, was Shane at his best.

Shane has a master tactician trainer and the tactic of making Mayweather work throughout the fight will cause the first defeat on Floyd.

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Originally Posted by Nameless

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Originally Posted by ICB

The only problem i have here is who too root for, i like both fighters equally for different reasons. I think i'll sit on the fence for this one.

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Then go with the good guy;)

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Are you referring to the PED cheat? ;)

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Originally Posted by JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by Nameless

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Originally Posted by ICB

The only problem i have here is who too root for, i like both fighters equally for different reasons. I think i'll sit on the fence for this one.

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Then go with the good guy;)

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Are you referring to the PED cheat? ;)

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Shane is so vunerable for quick counters. With his reach advantage, he doesn't really need to dart in and out. That's not his style anyway. He's got to clinch real fast every after combos that he throws.