I am F**KING ashamed of some people here and their Valero comments!!!!

Ughhh,

Look, I cracked no jokes, nor do I find it humorus in any respect but some of you people need to come off your moral high horses.

I'm friggin gagging at my computer...

If I yack on my keyboard I'm gonna be pissed.

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I do laugh at people who fall down, just not old ladies. Somebody my age who falls down in the street = good times.

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You would have laughed at the crackhead with me...

I haven't seen any postings from anybody laughing about what happened.

I made a light hearted remark about the South American police finding him innocent, just a jibe directed at the Gatti investigation, but I don't see how that is really laughing at tragedy or making light of people's deaths.

But exlaiming in CAPITAL LETTERS THAT IF PEOPLE WHO MADE JOKES WERE IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW YOU WOULD CHOKE THEM kind of puts you closer to the Valero mindset than someone who makes a joke.

Anyway, if you think what has been said up to now is bad wait until you read X's upcoming thread.


And all this trying to make out some of you are morally better than others is just ridiculous. It's a fact of human nature that 99% of us would be more concered about our own slight headache, than about 50,000 people being killed in an earthquake at the same time on the other side of the world. That's just human nature, and yes, you will have been guilty of that too, unless you are permantly wailing in the streets and waving end of the world placards in front of people's noses.

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I have to say I really thought better of some people here due to the way they have posted over time...Seemed like decent people....(As decent of an opinion you can get of someone over the internet I guess)..

This whole Valero thing is a tragedy....First it is sad that a professional fighter killed his wife...A mother of children,,,the Daughter of 2 hard working people...A sister...

I mean MAN that is some tragic tragic shit....

There is NO excuse for what happened..NONE I mean Alcohol played a big part in this and possibly other things unknown to us..

There is no forgiving Valero for what he did...But to add to the tragedy this man hung himself...He obviously knew what he did was wrong...He obviously had remorse to the point he could not bear....

These kids have not only lost a Mother murdered by their Father but they will now have to live with the fact their Father committed suicide......

There is NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS AND NO JUSTICE CAME FROM VALEROS DEATH!!!! NO ONE IS RELIEVED IN HIS FAMILY I AM SURE OR HIS WIFES BY WHAT HE DID TO HIMSELF....

I mean shit regardless of what happened this man is ALSO someones son...Someones Father.....

I read shit on the other threads about...Hope he kills himself...Good he killed himself...

The we have ASSHOLES MAKING JOKES LIKE

"Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure."

WHAT A FUCKING SCUMBAG!!!!!

YOU ARE AS BAD IF NOT WORSE THEN VALERO BECAUSE YOU FIND HUMOR IN THIS!!!! WHAT IS SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!!! IF YOU WERE IN FRONT OF ME I WOULD CHOKE YOU!!!!!

I am not going to call anyoner out and mention their names on the LOW CLASS comments made by them...they know who they are and anyone can look for the post themselves if they are that curious but FUCK man..

I fail to see the humor in 2 people dead one murdered the other by their own hand leaving families to suffer the not only loss of them but the indignities of this being publicized world wide....

It is a sad sad day not for boxing but in general....

But that is FUNNY!!!!....It was Cool and tough to post shit like I hope he dies etc......

I hope this never happens to one of you FUCK HEADS...And if GOD FORBID you do have to endure some tragedy like this..BECAUSE I WOULD WISH THIS ON NO ONE!!!!!!! I hope you never have to read comments like these...hear comments like these or be publicly humiliated the way these people are right now....

AND IF the person was that bad to the point they deserve no sympathy not for what they did but just for being human beings..One who was obviously tormented by demons through addiction or maybe some sort of mental disability (we don't know) I would at least feel a bit of empathy for the families and not use this as a way to amuse myself or try to be the forum joker hoping for some rep for my scumbag of a joke!!!


This type of behavior is something reserved for child molesters and murderers or children
I feel bad for your families!!!

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Exactly man, I pointed this out in the thread about his suicide, that some members are being very quick to slam the guy without knowing all the facts (I can see I've been met with criticism, but I'm not bothering to reply at the risk of starting an unnecessary sh*tstorm in there). As I say, we don't know him personally, all we know is what comes through the media and his in ring character. It's impossible to make a character assessment solely on those insights... Hell, some psychologists can't even make character assessments on people they sit down and talk to on a regular basis for years. :p

What Valero did was wrong, nobody can deny that. A young woman is dead by his hand and that fact will not change. BUT, Valero is a guy who suffered severe trauma to his head in the past and has continued to get hit in the head ever since that happened. Now, no matter what way you twist that one up, it is an extremely worrying situation. There is a high possibility that he has not been of sound mind in recent times... then again he may be fine, but the fact is, we should not judge one way or another. Saying the guy deserved to die, that he should go to hell etc etc... It's just as bad as applauding his actions. Potential brain injuries should not be taken lightly!

As someone who has studied Neuropsychology, I know only too well the tragic results that can come about as a result of someone who suffers trauma to the head. It reminded me of a story my professor once told me about a guy who was perfectly fine until one day getting hit by a car, resulting in brain injuries and a downward spiral of deteriorating mental health that would eventually lead to him setting fire to his house, killing himself, his Mother and his sister all in one go.

I'm not saying for certain that Edwin was in the same state of mind, but the fact is we don't know either way. Like I said, brain injuries are as complex as it gets.

Lets try to keep our cool people.

Mate I live in a small town where recently someone I know was brutally murdered and they caught the guy. Everyone was hoping the cops would kill him in a struggle, I wasnt...i was hoping he was thrown into jail with everybody else so he could suffer!!! Im afraid I have no sympathy for murderers, I feel for Valeros family, kids and wifes family....I do not feel for Valero. Everybody has issues, his was alcohol and other bullshit and he decided to be a coward and take the easy way out. So in short no I dont think its good that he hung himself (shocked that it happened) but only coz he will not get punished the way he should of been.

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Mate I live in a small town where recently someone I know was brutally murdered and they caught the guy. Everyone was hoping the cops would kill him in a struggle, I wasnt...i was hoping he was thrown into jail with everybody else so he could suffer!!! Im afraid I have no sympathy for murderers, I feel for Valeros family, kids and wifes family....I do not feel for Valero. Everybody has issues, his was alcohol and other bullshit and he decided to be a coward and take the easy way out. So in short no I dont think its good that he hung himself (shocked that it happened) but only coz he will not get punished the way he should of been.

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I don't know that you can ever really judge a man. I mean I highly doubt he killed her with no remorse, or for fun. Clearly he was suffering some kind of major problems, and it seems like it was a spontaneous out of control act.

My best friend's dad killed his wife, stabbed her 49 times with a pair of scissors when she told him she was leaving and taking the kids away.

This was over 30 years ago. A tragic story, but guess what, his dad is a lovely guy. He just snapped and went literally crazy. He spent a couple years in a mental ward, and was then released and carried on caring for his son and daughter, even building a house himself.

Amazingly his mother and father in law forgave him. It was a shockingly violent and horrendous act, but he didn't have control over it, the stress caused him to snap.

A similar thing happened to a guy a couple years ago in the uk who grabbed both his kids and jumped out of a window, trying to kill himself. They died but he survived, and he has to live the rest of his life with that terrible, emotion driven 30 second split decision.

Clearly murder is bad and the ultimate wrong, and we all instinctively know that, but that doesn't mean that under certain situations all of us are not capable, in a split moment of doing something that will have consequences for ever.

We don't know why Valero did what he did, what was going through his mind, whether he was even of conscious mind. Now we will never know.

But I'm sure Edwin Valero knew murder was wrong and felt it instinctively as much as you do, which is probably why he killed himself.

I am not trying to act as though we are to become bleeding hearts for the guy or even his family...But to make fucking jokes even to the slightest is wrong...Not the kind Bilbo made toward the police but the kind like I posted about using this for a headline for his upcoming fight....

To say Good for him he is dead hope he kills himself is just shit....Sure the man deserves to be punished and should have been given no mercy but taking the situation into a whole then adding things be it comments or be it bad will I mean shit....These people have families....

I think what really PISSED me off the most was the fact that when you look at the % of post and the % of people who took time to say something negative...

Out of 64 post I just counted since some people here say it is going over board no one really said anything that wrong etc...That only on 1 thread about the topic

Out of 64 post I counted 11 where anyone mentioned any type of condolence to the family or an RIP for the wife

But people took time to post

Hang on. Am I missing something here ? What's with all the RIP messages ? The FUCKA killed his wife. He should ROT IN HELL !!! The thing is, now he's probably go down as a great fighter whose career was cut short, in sort of the same way that Salvador Sanchez is. Listen - He was lucky that he never fought anyone of merit. Let's not even talk about Floyd or Manny. I think a Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley, Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah would wipe the floor with him.

He is DEAD who is wiping the floor with him?

You know what ? GOOD RIDDANCE TO HIM !! I think this is a bit different to previous boxers dying early in life (Vernon Forrest, Diego Corrales). This guy KILLED his wife. Martial rows are just routine for top sportsmen, but taking a knife and killing your wife ? F**K HIM !! May he rot in hell

Yet we have the time to make post like these? Not too mention post that have jokes about him?

One joke about why did he beat up his wife a week ago? Because she was late with his dinner!!!!

That is not fucking low?.,...A 20yr old Woman abused and then murdered by the same guy and we will make jokes like this?...It pokes fun at not only situation but Spousal Abuse as well....That is Funny?

The the balls of Bilbo to say I am like Valero because I said if the person that made the joke on how to bill Valeros next fight as something to the matter of.."Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure." I would choke them if they we in front of me....Tell you what I won't choke them but I would kick their sorry asses up and down the block!!!!

Yet if a fighter from 1922 who had a 3-50 record dies of old age the place is flooded with RIP you will be missed...Even if I never heard of you?

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I am not trying to act as though we are to become bleeding hearts for the guy or even his family...But to make fucking jokes even to the slightest is wrong...Not the kind Bilbo made toward the police but the kind like I posted about using this for a headline for his upcoming fight....

To say Good for him he is dead hope he kills himself is just shit....Sure the man deserves to be punished and should have been given no mercy but taking the situation into a whole then adding things be it comments or be it bad will I mean shit....These people have families....

I think what really PISSED me off the most was the fact that when you look at the % of post and the % of people who took time to say something negative...

Out of 64 post I just counted since some people here say it is going over board no one really said anything that wrong etc...That only on 1 thread about the topic

Out of 64 post I counted 11 where anyone mentioned any type of condolence to the family or an RIP for the wife

But people took time to post

Hang on. Am I missing something here ? What's with all the RIP messages ? The FUCKA killed his wife. He should ROT IN HELL !!! The thing is, now he's probably go down as a great fighter whose career was cut short, in sort of the same way that Salvador Sanchez is. Listen - He was lucky that he never fought anyone of merit. Let's not even talk about Floyd or Manny. I think a Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley, Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah would wipe the floor with him.

He is DEAD who is wiping the floor with him?

You know what ? GOOD RIDDANCE TO HIM !! I think this is a bit different to previous boxers dying early in life (Vernon Forrest, Diego Corrales). This guy KILLED his wife. Martial rows are just routine for top sportsmen, but taking a knife and killing your wife ? F**K HIM !! May he rot in hell

Yet we have the time to make post like these? Not too mention post that have jokes about him?

One joke about why did he beat up his wife a week ago? Because she was late with his dinner!!!!

That is not fucking low?.,...A 20yr old Woman abused and then murdered by the same guy and we will make jokes like this?...It pokes fun at not only situation but Spousal Abuse as well....That is Funny?

The the balls of Bilbo to say I am like Valero because I said if the person that made the joke on how to bill Valeros next fight as something to the matter of.."Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure." I would choke them if they we in front of me....Tell you what I won't choke them but I would kick their sorry asses up and down the block!!!!

Yet if a fighter from 1922 who had a 3-50 record dies of old age the place is flooded with RIP you will be missed...Even if I never heard of you?

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Daxx the thing is people are just expressing their opinions. I mean I agree with you, I think it's a tragic thing that has happened all around and I even feel for Edwin Valero, he was clearly a tortured soul, and I really doubt he had a more casual view of murder than we do, the fact he killed himself suggests he was completely fucked up.

Nobody can really judge or say what was going on in his mind, only God can judge man.


That said, people on here have a right to express their opinions. If some people think he deserves to rot in hell for what he did then that is their right.

You yourself said the hate he is getting is normally reserved for child molesters, which I guess means if someone had been found guilty of abusing a child, you would condemn them utterly and without any understanding and compassion, as would most.

That is your value judgement regarding child abuse, and clearly for many on here they attach the same value judgement to killing your wife, that's ultimately their right.

Also, and bear this in mind, you don't know the true thoughts and intentions of posters on this site either. Someone may say he deserves to rot in hell, but in actual fact, if they knew the troubles he had and had access to all the information they might feel genuine compassion for all concerned.

Don't let the postings of people on here disturb your own happiness Daxx. You are clearly a passionate guy and have strong emotions on the subject but that doesn't mean that other's are less moral, or have no empathy because of what they write on a wall.

We are all far more alike than we imagine.

Bilbo's so profound these days

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Bilbo's so profound these days

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It sounds like he's been reading the Dalai Lama

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Bilbo's so profound these days

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Sitting alone in a hole in a ground, you have a lot of time to think.

And of course pontification is second only to masturbation as a worthwhile pursuit.

Take a chill pill Daxx. I don't agree with the jokes & the reactions of a lot of people, but the fact is there's nothing we can do about it. People are always going to feel strongly about the issue of murdering women, hell look at what people give Mayweather despite the fact there's no evidence of him actually hitting women other than boxingscene hearsay.

It's just not worth getting worked up about what people say on boxing forums. If anything I find the comments about 'I want to see a film made out of this', 'I wish he'd lived so I could read his book' or 'I really wanted to see him fight Pac' far worse, as they show a total disassociation from the fact that two people have lost their lives.

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Take a chill pill Daxx. I don't agree with the jokes & the reactions of a lot of people, but the fact is there's nothing we can do about it. People are always going to feel strongly about the issue of murdering women, hell look at what people give Mayweather despite the fact there's no evidence of him actually hitting women other than boxingscene hearsay.

It's just not worth getting worked up about what people say on boxing forums. If anything I find the comments about 'I want to see a film made out of this', 'I wish he'd lived so I could read his book' or 'I really wanted to see him fight Pac' far worse, as they show a total disassociation from the fact that two people have lost their lives.

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I'm actually in agreement with all three of those points. Be honest would you boycott the film or the fight if he had lived and it was somehow made?

Probably several thousand people have died since I started writing this reply, many tragically. Just being aware of one doesn't make it any worse really.

And you really can't base whether someone is disassociated from reality on what they post on a Saddo boxing wall.

In psychological terms, you are guilty of making the Fundamental Attribution Error, which is a word used by people like me to sound clever and a know it all.

Wow...so much hate only because the opinion over one's death. I may be cold, but it seem pretty small compared to what, something like 20 thousand children that die each day.

Unless you know the guy, don't take it personally and don't hate those who don't care.