I am F**KING ashamed of some people here and their Valero comments!!!!

[Snakey]

Mate I live in a small town where recently someone I know was brutally murdered and they caught the guy. Everyone was hoping the cops would kill him in a struggle, I wasnt...i was hoping he was thrown into jail with everybody else so he could suffer!!! Im afraid I have no sympathy for murderers, I feel for Valeros family, kids and wifes family....I do not feel for Valero. Everybody has issues, his was alcohol and other bullshit and he decided to be a coward and take the easy way out. So in short no I dont think its good that he hung himself (shocked that it happened) but only coz he will not get punished the way he should of been.

[Kev]

Mate I live in a small town where recently someone I know was brutally murdered and they caught the guy. Everyone was hoping the cops would kill him in a struggle, I wasnt...i was hoping he was thrown into jail with everybody else so he could suffer!!! Im afraid I have no sympathy for murderers, I feel for Valeros family, kids and wifes family....I do not feel for Valero. Everybody has issues, his was alcohol and other bullshit and he decided to be a coward and take the easy way out. So in short no I dont think its good that he hung himself (shocked that it happened) but only coz he will not get punished the way he should of been.

I don't know that you can ever really judge a man. I mean I highly doubt he killed her with no remorse, or for fun. Clearly he was suffering some kind of major problems, and it seems like it was a spontaneous out of control act.

My best friend's dad killed his wife, stabbed her 49 times with a pair of scissors when she told him she was leaving and taking the kids away.

This was over 30 years ago. A tragic story, but guess what, his dad is a lovely guy. He just snapped and went literally crazy. He spent a couple years in a mental ward, and was then released and carried on caring for his son and daughter, even building a house himself.

Amazingly his mother and father in law forgave him. It was a shockingly violent and horrendous act, but he didn't have control over it, the stress caused him to snap.

A similar thing happened to a guy a couple years ago in the uk who grabbed both his kids and jumped out of a window, trying to kill himself. They died but he survived, and he has to live the rest of his life with that terrible, emotion driven 30 second split decision.

Clearly murder is bad and the ultimate wrong, and we all instinctively know that, but that doesn't mean that under certain situations all of us are not capable, in a split moment of doing something that will have consequences for ever.

We don't know why Valero did what he did, what was going through his mind, whether he was even of conscious mind. Now we will never know.

But I'm sure Edwin Valero knew murder was wrong and felt it instinctively as much as you do, which is probably why he killed himself.

[DaxxKahn]

I am not trying to act as though we are to become bleeding hearts for the guy or even his family...But to make fucking jokes even to the slightest is wrong...Not the kind Bilbo made toward the police but the kind like I posted about using this for a headline for his upcoming fight....

To say Good for him he is dead hope he kills himself is just shit....Sure the man deserves to be punished and should have been given no mercy but taking the situation into a whole then adding things be it comments or be it bad will I mean shit....These people have families....

I think what really PISSED me off the most was the fact that when you look at the % of post and the % of people who took time to say something negative...

Out of 64 post I just counted since some people here say it is going over board no one really said anything that wrong etc...That only on 1 thread about the topic

Out of 64 post I counted 11 where anyone mentioned any type of condolence to the family or an RIP for the wife

But people took time to post

Hang on. Am I missing something here ? What's with all the RIP messages ? The FUCKA killed his wife. He should ROT IN HELL !!! The thing is, now he's probably go down as a great fighter whose career was cut short, in sort of the same way that Salvador Sanchez is. Listen - He was lucky that he never fought anyone of merit. Let's not even talk about Floyd or Manny. I think a Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley, Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah would wipe the floor with him.

He is DEAD who is wiping the floor with him?

You know what ? GOOD RIDDANCE TO HIM !! I think this is a bit different to previous boxers dying early in life (Vernon Forrest, Diego Corrales). This guy KILLED his wife. Martial rows are just routine for top sportsmen, but taking a knife and killing your wife ? F**K HIM !! May he rot in hell

Yet we have the time to make post like these? Not too mention post that have jokes about him?

One joke about why did he beat up his wife a week ago? Because she was late with his dinner!!!!

That is not fucking low?.,...A 20yr old Woman abused and then murdered by the same guy and we will make jokes like this?...It pokes fun at not only situation but Spousal Abuse as well....That is Funny?

The the balls of Bilbo to say I am like Valero because I said if the person that made the joke on how to bill Valeros next fight as something to the matter of.."Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure." I would choke them if they we in front of me....Tell you what I won't choke them but I would kick their sorry asses up and down the block!!!!

Yet if a fighter from 1922 who had a 3-50 record dies of old age the place is flooded with RIP you will be missed...Even if I never heard of you?

[OumaFan]

nm

[Kev]

I am not trying to act as though we are to become bleeding hearts for the guy or even his family...But to make fucking jokes even to the slightest is wrong...Not the kind Bilbo made toward the police but the kind like I posted about using this for a headline for his upcoming fight....

To say Good for him he is dead hope he kills himself is just shit....Sure the man deserves to be punished and should have been given no mercy but taking the situation into a whole then adding things be it comments or be it bad will I mean shit....These people have families....

I think what really PISSED me off the most was the fact that when you look at the % of post and the % of people who took time to say something negative...

Out of 64 post I just counted since some people here say it is going over board no one really said anything that wrong etc...That only on 1 thread about the topic

Out of 64 post I counted 11 where anyone mentioned any type of condolence to the family or an RIP for the wife

But people took time to post

Hang on. Am I missing something here ? What's with all the RIP messages ? The FUCKA killed his wife. He should ROT IN HELL !!! The thing is, now he's probably go down as a great fighter whose career was cut short, in sort of the same way that Salvador Sanchez is. Listen - He was lucky that he never fought anyone of merit. Let's not even talk about Floyd or Manny. I think a Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley, Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah would wipe the floor with him.

He is DEAD who is wiping the floor with him?

You know what ? GOOD RIDDANCE TO HIM !! I think this is a bit different to previous boxers dying early in life (Vernon Forrest, Diego Corrales). This guy KILLED his wife. Martial rows are just routine for top sportsmen, but taking a knife and killing your wife ? F**K HIM !! May he rot in hell

Yet we have the time to make post like these? Not too mention post that have jokes about him?

One joke about why did he beat up his wife a week ago? Because she was late with his dinner!!!!

That is not fucking low?.,...A 20yr old Woman abused and then murdered by the same guy and we will make jokes like this?...It pokes fun at not only situation but Spousal Abuse as well....That is Funny?

The the balls of Bilbo to say I am like Valero because I said if the person that made the joke on how to bill Valeros next fight as something to the matter of.."Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure." I would choke them if they we in front of me....Tell you what I won't choke them but I would kick their sorry asses up and down the block!!!!

Yet if a fighter from 1922 who had a 3-50 record dies of old age the place is flooded with RIP you will be missed...Even if I never heard of you?

Daxx the thing is people are just expressing their opinions. I mean I agree with you, I think it's a tragic thing that has happened all around and I even feel for Edwin Valero, he was clearly a tortured soul, and I really doubt he had a more casual view of murder than we do, the fact he killed himself suggests he was completely fucked up.

Nobody can really judge or say what was going on in his mind, only God can judge man.


That said, people on here have a right to express their opinions. If some people think he deserves to rot in hell for what he did then that is their right.

You yourself said the hate he is getting is normally reserved for child molesters, which I guess means if someone had been found guilty of abusing a child, you would condemn them utterly and without any understanding and compassion, as would most.

That is your value judgement regarding child abuse, and clearly for many on here they attach the same value judgement to killing your wife, that's ultimately their right.

Also, and bear this in mind, you don't know the true thoughts and intentions of posters on this site either. Someone may say he deserves to rot in hell, but in actual fact, if they knew the troubles he had and had access to all the information they might feel genuine compassion for all concerned.

Don't let the postings of people on here disturb your own happiness Daxx. You are clearly a passionate guy and have strong emotions on the subject but that doesn't mean that other's are less moral, or have no empathy because of what they write on a wall.

We are all far more alike than we imagine.

[OumaFan]

Bilbo's so profound these days

[killersheep]

Bilbo's so profound these days

It sounds like he's been reading the Dalai Lama

[CFH]

Bilbo's so profound these days

It sounds like he's been reading the Dalai Lama

Maybe he's just been getting high a lot.

[Kev]

Bilbo's so profound these days

Sitting alone in a hole in a ground, you have a lot of time to think.

And of course pontification is second only to masturbation as a worthwhile pursuit.

[JazMerkin]

Take a chill pill Daxx. I don't agree with the jokes & the reactions of a lot of people, but the fact is there's nothing we can do about it. People are always going to feel strongly about the issue of murdering women, hell look at what people give Mayweather despite the fact there's no evidence of him actually hitting women other than boxingscene hearsay.

It's just not worth getting worked up about what people say on boxing forums. If anything I find the comments about 'I want to see a film made out of this', 'I wish he'd lived so I could read his book' or 'I really wanted to see him fight Pac' far worse, as they show a total disassociation from the fact that two people have lost their lives.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Bilbo's so profound these days

Sitting alone in a hole in a ground, you have a lot of time to think.

And of course pontification is second only to masturbation as a worthwhile pursuit.

invite those fat chicks round

[DaxxKahn]

I am not trying to act as though we are to become bleeding hearts for the guy or even his family...But to make fucking jokes even to the slightest is wrong...Not the kind Bilbo made toward the police but the kind like I posted about using this for a headline for his upcoming fight....

To say Good for him he is dead hope he kills himself is just shit....Sure the man deserves to be punished and should have been given no mercy but taking the situation into a whole then adding things be it comments or be it bad will I mean shit....These people have families....

I think what really PISSED me off the most was the fact that when you look at the % of post and the % of people who took time to say something negative...

Out of 64 post I just counted since some people here say it is going over board no one really said anything that wrong etc...That only on 1 thread about the topic

Out of 64 post I counted 11 where anyone mentioned any type of condolence to the family or an RIP for the wife

But people took time to post

Hang on. Am I missing something here ? What's with all the RIP messages ? The FUCKA killed his wife. He should ROT IN HELL !!! The thing is, now he's probably go down as a great fighter whose career was cut short, in sort of the same way that Salvador Sanchez is. Listen - He was lucky that he never fought anyone of merit. Let's not even talk about Floyd or Manny. I think a Devon Alexander, Tim Bradley, Miguel Cotto, Zab Judah would wipe the floor with him.

He is DEAD who is wiping the floor with him?

You know what ? GOOD RIDDANCE TO HIM !! I think this is a bit different to previous boxers dying early in life (Vernon Forrest, Diego Corrales). This guy KILLED his wife. Martial rows are just routine for top sportsmen, but taking a knife and killing your wife ? F**K HIM !! May he rot in hell

Yet we have the time to make post like these? Not too mention post that have jokes about him?

One joke about why did he beat up his wife a week ago? Because she was late with his dinner!!!!

That is not fucking low?.,...A 20yr old Woman abused and then murdered by the same guy and we will make jokes like this?...It pokes fun at not only situation but Spousal Abuse as well....That is Funny?

The the balls of Bilbo to say I am like Valero because I said if the person that made the joke on how to bill Valeros next fight as something to the matter of.."Valero murders next opponent, then chokes under pressure." I would choke them if they we in front of me....Tell you what I won't choke them but I would kick their sorry asses up and down the block!!!!

Yet if a fighter from 1922 who had a 3-50 record dies of old age the place is flooded with RIP you will be missed...Even if I never heard of you?

Daxx the thing is people are just expressing their opinions. I mean I agree with you, I think it's a tragic thing that has happened all around and I even feel for Edwin Valero, he was clearly a tortured soul, and I really doubt he had a more casual view of murder than we do, the fact he killed himself suggests he was completely fucked up.

Nobody can really judge or say what was going on in his mind, only God can judge man.


That said, people on here have a right to express their opinions. If some people think he deserves to rot in hell for what he did then that is their right.

You yourself said the hate he is getting is normally reserved for child molesters, which I guess means if someone had been found guilty of abusing a child, you would condemn them utterly and without any understanding and compassion, as would most.

That is your value judgement regarding child abuse, and clearly for many on here they attach the same value judgement to killing your wife, that's ultimately their right.

Also, and bear this in mind, you don't know the true thoughts and intentions of posters on this site either. Someone may say he deserves to rot in hell, but in actual fact, if they knew the troubles he had and had access to all the information they might feel genuine compassion for all concerned.

Don't let the postings of people on here disturb your own happiness Daxx. You are clearly a passionate guy and have strong emotions on the subject but that doesn't mean that other's are less moral, or have no empathy because of what they write on a wall.

We are all far more alike than we imagine.

Oh I agree and I am not going to lose sleep over it...I stated my opp on it and thats that...I am not going to hold a grudge against anyone for what they said...My thing is that it is just wrong...I would have said the same thing if it was people here or someone in the supermarket I overheard saying the same thing....

It does not matter that it was Valero...Has to do with the situation....In truth if this was one guy who killed another though I would not have made jokes or comments i could have cared less what are you going to do...

Just this is a situation where a Woman was abused, murdered and left behind a family not too mention children.....Does this happen all the time? Yes sadly enough it does....If the same tackless comments were made about John Smith and jane Smith I would feel the same way.....

Like I said I see people here posting RIP with tear smilies about fighters who dies they never even heard of or seen and they make comments like some of the ones I posted?

Low Class and Sad...

[Snakey]

Mate I live in a small town where recently someone I know was brutally murdered and they caught the guy. Everyone was hoping the cops would kill him in a struggle, I wasnt...i was hoping he was thrown into jail with everybody else so he could suffer!!! Im afraid I have no sympathy for murderers, I feel for Valeros family, kids and wifes family....I do not feel for Valero. Everybody has issues, his was alcohol and other bullshit and he decided to be a coward and take the easy way out. So in short no I dont think its good that he hung himself (shocked that it happened) but only coz he will not get punished the way he should of been.

I don't know that you can ever really judge a man. I mean I highly doubt he killed her with no remorse, or for fun. Clearly he was suffering some kind of major problems, and it seems like it was a spontaneous out of control act.

My best friend's dad killed his wife, stabbed her 49 times with a pair of scissors when she told him she was leaving and taking the kids away.

This was over 30 years ago. A tragic story, but guess what, his dad is a lovely guy. He just snapped and went literally crazy. He spent a couple years in a mental ward, and was then released and carried on caring for his son and daughter, even building a house himself.

Amazingly his mother and father in law forgave him. It was a shockingly violent and horrendous act, but he didn't have control over it, the stress caused him to snap.

A similar thing happened to a guy a couple years ago in the uk who grabbed both his kids and jumped out of a window, trying to kill himself. They died but he survived, and he has to live the rest of his life with that terrible, emotion driven 30 second split decision.

Clearly murder is bad and the ultimate wrong, and we all instinctively know that, but that doesn't mean that under certain situations all of us are not capable, in a split moment of doing something that will have consequences for ever.

We don't know why Valero did what he did, what was going through his mind, whether he was even of conscious mind. Now we will never know.

But I'm sure Edwin Valero knew murder was wrong and felt it instinctively as much as you do, which is probably why he killed himself.

Mate sorry my care for the person who conducts the murder goes straight out the window as soon as he commits that act. His mental state, his problems, his hard life...goes out the window coz at the end of the day how can I feel sorry for the person who took someones life away? Valero may of had issues that made this happen and he couldnt deal with them by himself then maybe he should of done the responsible thing and seek help else where, it aint like he lacked the money to do it. He would be in a better position to seek help than alot of other people in the world. Its too bad he didnt get what was coming to him jail but I guess at least the world now has one less phsyco, its too bad one innocent lady had to die. I feel very sorry for her family.