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hahaha there you go bitching when someone slams one of your crushes, you're so lame bro seriouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Your just upset he beat your boy quintana so effortlessly with a torn arm. He apologized for what he said, get a life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Im a fan of Andre Berto but i think the comment is wrong, but maybe he wasn't thinking and his mouth was 3 seconds ahead of his brain. Because Andre Berto normally comes across as a nice guy, i mean we've all said stuff we didn't mean. Or its come out wrong, no need to hate on the guy. He's normally a class act.
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Originally Posted by ICB
I agree, plus he might have known Valero personally and have more of an idea of what was going on.
I mean if one of my mates killed his wife and then himself that's the kind of thing I'd likely post.
People tend to be a lot more understanding and forgiving when they know and like the person.
The idea that man kills woman = evil scumbag who will burn in hell is a little bit simplistic, and you might make more allowances if the killer was a personal friend or someone whose character you knew was pretty good.
He was just showing support to Edwin, but I do agree it was an ill advised comment. But he's apoligised so let's move on.
I have to laugh at irony however about all these people creating threads to say 'Fuck you', or label someone a piece of shit becuase of something they said on a forum. I mean come on, glass houses and all that.
People are people attaching yourself to any of these guys is kinda silly either way imo. There are bigger pices of shit out there than valero and berto and just because they dont' tweet it and keep it to themselves makes them no better. You don't know any of these guys. I watch boxing to watch them fight..that's it. Any of them could be racist murdering child porn collectors for any of you know, i bet there are even the same type of people on here......and quick to point out how bad others are. Who cares. Even the organazations that run this sport could care less, they're sure quick to let margarito fight again, and he could have killed someone just as dead with what he was doing. These guys entertain in the ring....they not supposed to be raising our children and giving moral lessons. Most of these guys fight cause they had no other option and crazy rough beginings. They don't pick up these guys from the ymca and church. And either way who gives a crap, let authorites do thier job and we as fans do ours. After i turn off the t.v. i don't think about any of these guys one bit, they served thier purpose. The whole thing is bad all around but valero isn't the only scum bag lacing up gloves and he won't be the last, If you watch boxing and only want to root for the "good" guys then there are probably only one or two amature fighters you're going to follow. And that's generally cause they don't have the money or time to get into trouble yet.
That's right. The homie Reverend Mar preaching the truth. I got into Boxing cuz I seen muthafukkas fight. Not cuz homeboy is a nice guy who helps the poor. It's about the fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Great post, Mar.
Rep owed.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThat's right. The homie Reverend Mar preaching the truth. I got into Boxing cuz I seen muthafukkas fight. Not cuz homeboy is a nice guy who helps the poor. It's about the fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
coincidentally thats what he did considering what he's done for Haiti and given to it. Amazing how people now just dismiss him as an asshole.
It was piece of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThat's right. The homie Reverend Mar preaching the truth. I got into Boxing cuz I seen muthafukkas fight. Not cuz homeboy is a nice guy who helps the poor. It's about the fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
coincidentally thats what he did considering what he's done for Haiti and given to it. Amazing how people now just dismiss him as an asshole.
Stupid thing to say, probably thinking it makes him sound hard or something.
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Originally Posted by OumaFanIt was piece of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
coincidentally thats what he did considering what he's done for Haiti and given to it. Amazing how people now just dismiss him as an asshole.
Stupid thing to say, probably thinking it makes him sound hard or something.
Oh yeah, there's no doubt it was stupid for him to say and it was a very ass hole type of comment. But you can't define someone's whole career and life by one statement.
I debated it a little bit. But yeah I decided to keep watching Berto fight despite his efforts to go help the poorQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThat's right. The homie Reverend Mar preaching the truth. I got into Boxing cuz I seen muthafukkas fight. Not cuz homeboy is a nice guy who helps the poor. It's about the fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
coincidentally thats what he did considering what he's done for Haiti and given to it. Amazing how people now just dismiss him as an asshole.
hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI debated it a little bit. But yeah I decided to keep watching Berto fight despite his efforts to go help the poorQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
coincidentally thats what he did considering what he's done for Haiti and given to it. Amazing how people now just dismiss him as an asshole.
About Berto, I think his twitter post was just an expression of how a woman can fuck a man's head up, it was ill advised but I don't think we should go overboard on it.
We should also take into account the distinct likelihood of him knowing Valero personally. If one of your friends went mental and killed his wife then himself you'd be less likely to see only the evil in him.
As I said yesterday, my own best friend of 26 years' dad killed his wife when she taunted him that was leaving him for another man and taking the kids.
He snapped, stabbed her 49 times with a pair of scissors and then went mad for a year, living in a padded cell.
He was found not guilty of murder on the grounds of diminished responsibility, even his ex wife's parents forgave him, and he was released to care for his two kids.
I can only imagine the guilt and shame he has had to live wit the past 33 years since it happened, and the knowlege that he killed her in whilst the kids were in the house, and she died in front of my mate.
It's a horrible horrible tragedy all around but that one minute snap doesn't define who he is as a man. He will live for it forever, maybe suffer for it in eternity, and his kids obviously also bear the scars.
My point is though, that the people who knew him all stood by him, and I'm guessing Andre Berto knew Edwin Valero.
He was showing his support, albiet in a rather ill advised way.
agree.. he said something about "woman is a m*******ker" or something like that. what the heck.. and he twit something later like "i apologize for my comments" he lost the very little respect i have for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi don't give a fuck about Valero, the thing that piss me off are Berto's comments towards Valero's murdered wife, and his insinuation that she's the cause of the entire tragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
you think his apology is enough for valeros kids? if i push you to the train tracks would you forgive me if i apologize after damage has been done?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethYour just upset he beat your boy quintana so effortlessly with a torn arm. He apologized for what he said, get a life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I doubt his kids even know about it. And I don't see how a public text message compares to pushing someone on to a train track.Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334you think his apology is enough for valeros kids? if i push you to the train tracks would you forgive me if i apologize after damage has been done?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethYour just upset he beat your boy quintana so effortlessly with a torn arm. He apologized for what he said, get a life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He apologized already. What more do you want him to fukking do? Go buy them a house? Put them through college? Get off his fukking back already. I seriously doubt he gives a fukk you lost the little respect you had for him. Man what the fukk is he going to do now?Quote:
Originally Posted by josef4334you think his apology is enough for valeros kids? if i push you to the train tracks would you forgive me if i apologize after damage has been done?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethYour just upset he beat your boy quintana so effortlessly with a torn arm. He apologized for what he said, get a life.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales