Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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Originally Posted by
ono
Lyle, i'm sure if i could be arsed looking i could link you to a Christian forum where somebody is upset at a TV joke made about Jesus.
By the way, they aren't death threats. How would you know every other religion rolls with the punches?
They aren't death threats?!?!?! I'm sorry but saying basically "Remember that Dutch film maker that got murdered for his film on Islam?....Well I won't say the South Park guys will end up that way....but yeah, they will end up that way" is a fucking death threat!
Yes and there are SOME nutty Christians, but they don't go around blowing shit up (bar abortion centers, which is frowned upon and punished by our government and culture) and cutting people's heads off. You never hear of other lesser religions going on jihads or whatever the equivilent of that is for whatever religion we're talking about. The last "crusade" the Christians went on was in the 1200's!!!
You cannot just blame this shit on "Oh their culture is different" because the type of people that do this shit have killed people and will do it again and I for one am fucking tired of it.
South Park showed Jesus crapping on the American flag in the episode they were prevented from showing Muhammad in and guess what.....no death threats from Christians
Muslims need to get a fucking grip on reality
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Would it be fair if the BBC painted all of us who use Saddos as homophobic, BNP voting alcoholics on the basis of HTH??
It's actually not HTH's fault because of the way the article is portrayed I can see why he thinks it's ridiculous as do I, but anyone who's now going to rant at all Muslims because of one person's post on a forum really needs to examine their own issues and prejudices.
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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CFH
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ono
What a misleading trouble-making headline.
It quotes a posting on a forum for the source of fury. A fucking post on a fucking forum! No wonder there is so much hate in the world when you have bullshit media creating problems like this. In all religions, you will find nutcases and i'm pretty sure if i wanted to be a tit i could quite easily find something written on a Jewish forum or a Christian forum and make a big deal out of it.
No doubt countless people on here will post something along the lines of 'Fucking Muslims...' without even taking a second to think about it...
I agree whole-heartedly with this post and every subsequent post you have made in this thread. There are lunatics from all walks of life, painting Muslim's with the same brush because of one idiot is ridiculous and any based upon that kind of logic is too stupid to bother hearing, as if the person making the argument.
I agree too.
I read that the South Park show also featured Jesus watching porn and Buddha smoking cocaine or something?
I don't really think a cartoon needs to satirise religion in such a way, it's far too low brow a show for them to be able to say they are doing it to explore any serious issues.
And if anything does happen to them it's not like they didn't bring it on themselves.
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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Lyle
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Originally Posted by
ono
Lyle, i'm sure if i could be arsed looking i could link you to a Christian forum where somebody is upset at a TV joke made about Jesus.
By the way, they aren't death threats. How would you know every other religion rolls with the punches?
They aren't death threats?!?!?! I'm sorry but saying basically "Remember that Dutch film maker that got murdered for his film on Islam?....Well I won't say the South Park guys will end up that way....but yeah, they will end up that way" is a fucking death threat!
Yes and there are SOME nutty Christians, but they don't go around blowing shit up (bar abortion centers, which is frowned upon and punished by our government and culture) and cutting people's heads off. You never hear of other lesser religions going on jihads or whatever the equivilent of that is for whatever religion we're talking about. The last "crusade" the Christians went on was in the 1200's!!!
You cannot just blame this shit on "Oh their culture is different" because the type of people that do this shit have killed people and will do it again and I for one am fucking tired of it.
South Park showed Jesus crapping on the American flag in the episode they were prevented from showing Muhammad in and guess what.....no death threats from Christians
Muslims need to get a fucking grip on reality
How do you know? Did you check every Christian Internet forum? I mean this beauty of a quote was found on one.
It isn't a death threat. It's somebody saying they wouldn't be surprised if something happened to them. The author didn't state his intention to kill the creators of South Park. Even if he did, it's one person and it's no different to an idiot commenting on a Youtube video.
If you don't think you hear of other religions going on 'Jihads or the equivalent' then i suggest you further your learning by looking into the history of religious terrorism. The KKK would be a good start.
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
This is stupid, and the south park guys are stupid for going there. Obviously muslims are going to get a little bit upset when you portray their prophet who's not supposed to be portrayed as a bear. It's insensitive just like making fun of Sarah Palin's mentally challenged toddler. It's just low. Lyle, you're full of shit btw. My grandpa was a brimstone preaching southern baptist and he was just as crazy as a lot of these radical muslims. You don't know anything about the religion you're better off not commenting.
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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amat
This is stupid, and the south park guys are stupid for going there. Obviously muslims are going to get a little bit upset when you portray their prophet who's not supposed to be portrayed as a bear. It's insensitive just like making fun of Sarah Palin's mentally challenged toddler. It's just low. Lyle, you're full of shit btw. My grandpa was a brimstone preaching southern baptist and he was just as crazy as a lot of these radical muslims. You don't know anything about the religion you're better off not commenting.
I think you and Ono are suprisingly perceptive posters. I expected most to just say the muslims were nuts so it's nice to see people being able to dig a little deeper.
As Ono said it was just a forum post, which actually has as much chance of being written by a non muslim as a muslim. It's a non story except for the fact that the creator's of South Park are jack asses.
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I'm half surprised Lyle hasn't been on with his 'Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims' belter...:p
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I don't hate all muslims, I know quite a few that are very nice and are rational reasonable people but the people threatening guys like Trey Parker and Matt Stone or anyone else that is doing something frivilous have to be stopped.
No I don't check all the Christian websites but I can tell you I am 100% certain that ANY violence threatened or committed by any rogue Christian group will be denounced by the overwhelming majority of Christians, Churches, and leaders of the Churches. I can't say that I see the same self policing from Islam. The KKK and religion?!?!...WTF that is quite a stretch there.
amat, so it's ok for South Park to show Jesus crapping all over the American flag and Buddah snorting coke just so long as they don't show the Prophet Muhammad? That is fucking idiotic!!!! And notice, those guys can make fun of those religions without the threat of violence....do you not see a double standard here??? It's nothing like targeting Sarah Palin's mentally handicapped daughter, that is totally different and an erroneous comparison.
I have nothing against muslims in general, I just have a slight problem with them wanting to kill people over the littlest insignificant bullcrap....I mean there are 2 wars going on in majority muslim countries and they find the time and a "reason" to send threats to the creators of South Park.....I mean really? Really? Is it THAT important? Is it THAT offensive? NO it's not and they need to get off their high horse and get a fucking sense of humor ASAP and you guys need to stop enabling them and their line of thinking. "Well it is a stupid cartoon and well I guess they should be mad and send death threats to those guys"....I mean where does the maddness stop? Girls get acid sprayed on them for going to school, they get stoned to death for being rape victims, and a teacher got thrown in jail for naming a Teddy bear Muhammad not too long ago.....is that rational to any of you????
I don't care what religion the zealots are spouting off about, it really doesn't matter to me, I'm just tired of the bullshit. I'm tired of people being so fucking outraged over the smallest shit.....people who overreact like that make people want to make more fun of them.
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Lyle
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ono
Lyle, i'm sure if i could be arsed looking i could link you to a Christian forum where somebody is upset at a TV joke made about Jesus.
By the way, they aren't death threats. How would you know every other religion rolls with the punches?
They aren't death threats?!?!?! I'm sorry but saying basically "Remember that Dutch film maker that got murdered for his film on Islam?....Well I won't say the South Park guys will end up that way....but yeah, they will end up that way" is a fucking death threat!
Yes and there are SOME nutty Christians, but they don't go around blowing shit up (bar abortion centers, which is frowned upon and punished by our government and culture) and cutting people's heads off. You never hear of other lesser religions going on jihads or whatever the equivilent of that is for whatever religion we're talking about. The last "crusade" the Christians went on was in the 1200's!!!
You cannot just blame this shit on "Oh their culture is different" because the type of people that do this shit have killed people and will do it again and I for one am fucking tired of it.
South Park showed Jesus crapping on the American flag in the episode they were prevented from showing Muhammad in and guess what.....no death threats from Christians
Muslims need to get a fucking grip on reality
How do you know? Did you check every Christian Internet forum? I mean this beauty of a quote was found on one.
It isn't a death threat. It's somebody saying they wouldn't be surprised if something happened to them. The author didn't state his intention to kill the creators of South Park. Even if he did,
it's one person and it's no different to an idiot commenting on a Youtube video
Hmm.. didn't you claim comments on youtube prove Amir Khan's popularity has suffered due to racism?
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
I don't hate all muslims, I know quite a few that are very nice and are rational reasonable people but the people threatening guys like Trey Parker and Matt Stone or anyone else that is doing something frivilous have to be stopped.
No I don't check all the Christian websites but I can tell you I am 100% certain that ANY violence threatened or committed by any rogue Christian group will be denounced by the overwhelming majority of Christians, Churches, and leaders of the Churches. I can't say that I see the same self policing from Islam. The KKK and religion?!?!...WTF that is quite a stretch there.
amat, so it's ok for South Park to show Jesus crapping all over the American flag and Buddah snorting coke just so long as they don't show the Prophet Muhammad? That is fucking idiotic!!!! And notice, those guys can make fun of those religions without the threat of violence....do you not see a double standard here??? It's nothing like targeting Sarah Palin's mentally handicapped daughter, that is totally different and an erroneous comparison.
I have nothing against muslims in general, I just have a slight problem with them wanting to kill people over the littlest insignificant bullcrap....I mean there are 2 wars going on in majority muslim countries and they find the time and a "reason" to send threats to the creators of South Park.....I mean really? Really? Is it THAT important? Is it THAT offensive? NO it's not and they need to get off their high horse and get a fucking sense of humor ASAP and you guys need to stop enabling them and their line of thinking. "Well it is a stupid cartoon and well I guess they should be mad and send death threats to those guys"....I mean where does the maddness stop? Girls get acid sprayed on them for going to school, they get stoned to death for being rape victims, and a teacher got thrown in jail for naming a Teddy bear Muhammad not too long ago.....is that rational to any of you????
I don't care what religion the zealots are spouting off about, it really doesn't matter to me, I'm just tired of the bullshit. I'm tired of people being so fucking outraged over the smallest shit.....people who overreact like that make people want to make more fun of them.
The trouble is Lyle, you give the impression that you believe all Muslims are the same. You tend to generalise and stereotype a great deal.
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I know exactly what I mean and I am reasonable and rational in my line of thinking on this issue. I don't care for religious zealots of any religion I say let a man find his own path to God but not at the expense of others.
I'm opinionated, some people dislike that and I understand. But because of my opinions and politics many people don't simply ask me "Lyle what do you think of Islam in general?" They just assume the worst from me. I'm not accusing anyone specifically of doing that right now, I'm merely commenting that its easier to just assume that rather than get the whole picture.
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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Lyle
ono, it's not our fault that the "fuckin muslims" have such delicate constitutions.....every other group of people on God's green Earth seem to roll with the punches.....well not the Scientologists, they are like Islam's dorky less violent twin.
Seriously is a drawing and fucking DRAWING of their religious prophet covered in a bear suit so offensive that death threats are needed???
PRIORITIES PEOPLE!!!! There's heavier shit going on in the world outside of a South Park episode or a Dutch film or a cartoon of Muhammad with a bomb in his turban......get a fucking life irrational muslims!
I totally agree with what Lyle says on this one.
( I now feel unclean)
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I thought the episode, and the notion was absolutely hilarious.. It's all tongue in cheek. For someone to threaten peoples lives, and YES, it was a death threat, is ridiculous..
He gave the addresses to their homes to the media, why would he do that if he wasn't hoping some radical would act upon it? He also said that he was proud of what Bin Laden has done for their religion.. Why are Bin Laden supporters, you know, the #1 wanted man on the FBI list, IN NEW YORK?!
Muslim or Islamic people or whatever, that are not fundamentalists/radicals/extremists need to speak up on this.. If we think that these guys are giving the religion a bad rap, then they should do something about it and speak up.. Or are they also afraid that they will be targets of religious war?
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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RP33
I thought the episode, and the notion was absolutely hilarious.. It's all tongue in cheek. For someone to threaten peoples lives, and YES, it was a death threat, is ridiculous..
He gave the addresses to their homes to the media, why would he do that if he wasn't hoping some radical would act upon it? He also said that he was proud of what Bin Laden has done for their religion.. Why are Bin Laden supporters, you know, the #1 wanted man on the FBI list, IN NEW YORK?!
Muslim or Islamic people or whatever, that are not fundamentalists/radicals/extremists need to speak up on this.. If we think that these guys are giving the religion a bad rap, then they should do something about it and speak up.. Or are they also afraid that they will be targets of religious war?
What a stupid thing to say. Just because Gary Glitter is paedophile, it doesn't mean every white man needs to speak out against it, just like every Christian doesn't need to speak out about the acts of terrorism that have been carried out by Christians.
The thing is, you don't have the bigger picture of what happened before 9/11. I'm not saying the Muslims on MuslimRevolution do, but the media in other countries, especially countries which are predominantly Muslim will have their own agenda and as such will most likely report the terror attacks in a completely different light. So you have to respect that people from the other side of the world are just as likely to be manipulated by their media in much the same way as we are in the US and the UK.
It's not as crystal clear as saying we're the good guys and they're the bad guys unfortunately.
EDIT: Can i just say, that anybody who is proud of what any terrorist did is a fuckwit, just like anybody who is proud of us invading another country where thousands of innocent people have died. I also feel i need to point out to certain adults on here that you shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. Every religion has it's nutcases so please be aware that since we are in a war with a predominantly Muslim country, we are not going to see positive reports on Islam as a religion.
Re: muslim fury over south park episode
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Lyle
Yes and there are SOME nutty Christians, but they don't go around blowing shit up (bar abortion centers, which is frowned upon and punished by our government and culture)
Well... Oklahoma City government blow up building with Timothy McVeight.... they do stuff like that, they are just less numerous an not as trendy as the evil muslim terrorists but they are as extremist and crazy.
Actually, there is a lot to know about Islam, I am not gonna go into full details but we did organize an international symposium about it 2 years ago, more or less (I think if you type coloc international sharia Luxembourg in google it's still there). There is 4 more important school of thoughts (coming from the 4 Sheiks) and they are VERY different in their practices an interpretation of Islam, especially The Waabites and the Salafists (not sure of the spelling in english), some currents of thoughts are much more radical than some others. That's a first thing. The second is that many aspects of Islam got incredibly radicalized in some environment because of the Palestinian-Israelite conflict and because of what's going on in the Middle East. This radicalization comes from poverty and repeated offense against a people. In these circumstances, peoples tend to radicalize and to get angered, using something as a wagon. This time, the religion has been the wagon as it is always perfectly designed for such consequences. It could easily have been something else but the cards were perfectly played. Does it means it represents the real islam? Not at all. There is a lot of problems in every religion, including Islam, however, it is wrong to think they are all mad fanatics, we hear about the crazy dumb heads because they help to sell newspaper and magazines. Peoples aren't making discernment, which school od islam are they from, do they come from poverty, have they been brainwashed and by who, what about the more moderate school of islam? These questions aren't searched a lot and it gives place to the worst understanding of islam possible.
