Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Majesty
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Truth
I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.
Who has Mayweather ducked?
Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Hunter
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Originally Posted by
Majesty
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Originally Posted by
Truth
I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.
Who has Mayweather ducked?
Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.
Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Bilbo
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Lets compare, Sugar Ray Leonard, an all-time great to PBF.
Sugar Ray Leonard fought 40 fights in his career. 36-3-1, 25 KOs
Floyd Mayweather has fought 41 fights in his career. 41-0, 25 KOs
I mean yeah SRL fought some great opponents in the 80s, but Mayweather has a better record than SRL and has won a lot of big fights himself.
For people who say Mayweather ducked competition, he has had more fights than SRL did, an all-time great.
And what do you mean he hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao? Pacquiao has losses and draws. Mayweather has no loses and no draws. And why would that disqualify Mayweather from being an all-time great even if it was true? (which it isn't)
And what has Pacquiao achieved that Mayweather hasn't?
SRL didn't have more fights because he had eye problems, which is why he retired for a few years and comeback. Im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but come on Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone close to.
Wilfredo Benitez
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran
Yeah but come on Ice most people think he lost to three of them :D
And one of them just gave up!
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Snakey
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Hunter
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Majesty
Who has Mayweather ducked?
Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.
Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.
I completely agree, all of the 'Mayweather beaters' Floyd has allegedly dodged have been exposed as overrated hype products pretty much.
The way it seems to work is that Floyd beats up someone so that was clearly a handpicked opponent and the guys he hasn't fought yet are the world beaters.
There is NOBODY from superfeatherweight to welterweight who was around during Floyd's career that could have beaten him.
Look at the tests, Coralles annihilated, Hatton humiliated, Mosely schooled, these are all great fighters and the got there asses handed to them by Floyd.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Bilbo
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Snakey
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Hunter
Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.
Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.
I completely agree, all of the 'Mayweather beaters' Floyd has allegedly dodged have been exposed as overrated hype products pretty much.
The way it seems to work is that Floyd beats up someone so that was clearly a handpicked opponent and the guys he hasn't fought yet are the world beaters.
There is NOBODY from superfeatherweight to welterweight who was around during Floyd's career that could have beaten him.
Look at the tests, Coralles annihilated,
Hatton humiliated, Mosely schooled, these are all great fighters and the got there asses handed to them by Floyd.
Im not sure Hatton was a "great" fighter.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Bilbo
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Snakey
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Hunter
Whether he ducked opposition is subjective but it doesnt always seem that Floyd's top objective is fighting the best. He didnt fight Hatton at 140 and didnt seem in any kind of rush to fight Margarito or Cotto back a few years ago when the fans demanded those fights. Now with the demands for rigorous blood testing, Floyd, in some peoples minds will appear as though he is afraid of Pac. Personally I believe Floyd would dominate Pac and should just take the dam fight.
Why did floyd have to fight Hatton at 140? I believe Hatton needed that fight more than Floyd, Floyd was ranked no 1 P4P best in the world so why would he fight at someone elses weight? Hatton wanted to prove he was the best so he had to beat the best at their own weight. We all saw what Mosley did to Margarito, Mayweather would of beaten the shit out of him and same with Cotto. He is a different class all together. I think you can only say someone ducked a fighter when the fighter they supposedly ducked is actually a threat. How was Margarito, Hatton at 140 and Cotto a threat? What did we actually see that showed this guys could hang with floyd at all? Cotto would of been systematically dismantled and tkoed very similiar to what Floyd did to hatton.
I completely agree, all of the 'Mayweather beaters' Floyd has allegedly dodged have been exposed as overrated hype products pretty much.
The way it seems to work is that Floyd beats up someone so that was clearly a handpicked opponent and the guys he hasn't fought yet are the world beaters.
There is NOBODY from superfeatherweight to welterweight who was around during Floyd's career that could have beaten him.
Look at the tests, Coralles annihilated, Hatton humiliated,
Mosely schooled, these are all great fighters and the got there asses handed to them by Floyd.
Was not the case...and history will read it as mosley was 38 and got old..couldn't even do what made him shane mosley his whole career..
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
I don't think it matters who he fights at this stage, nobody is ever going to outbox him. The only chance he has of losing imo is if he fights somebody much naturally bigger and gets stopped.
I can't name 10 fighters in history that have the talent this guy has, he is definitely top 10 of all time imo. He belongs in the same breathe (and above a lot) of these guys
Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pepp, Roberto Duran, Pernell Whitaker, Benny Leonard, Jimmy Wilde, Roy Jones Jnr and Harry Greb.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Dark Lord Al
Im not sure Hatton was a "great" fighter.
He was before Floyd got through with him. I remember him routinely showing up in lists of the greatest 140lbers of all time, showing up and sometimes topping names like Aaron Pryor, JCC, Tyszu, ect.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Beanflicker
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Dark Lord Al
Im not sure Hatton was a "great" fighter.
He was before Floyd got through with him. I remember him routinely showing up in lists of the greatest 140lbers of all time, showing up and sometimes topping names like Aaron Pryor, JCC, Tyszu, ect.
Oh come on bro you know im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but Ricky Hatton was never a great fighter nowhere close to it. He was a good or very good fighter, but there's a big gap between very good and great.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
Putting all the "who's era was tougher" or "who fought the better opposition" stuff aside, would any of you guys honestly pick a lot of these mentioned names against Floyd?
I think the only guy mentioned who can hang with him in the ring is a WW SRR.
Sure, SRL fought the better opposition. But putting Floyd up against guys like Duran, Benitez, and Sugar himself, do you honestly think these guys beat him? To be honest, I don't.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Beanflicker
Putting all the "who's era was tougher" or "who fought the better opposition" stuff aside, would any of you guys honestly pick a lot of these mentioned names against Floyd?
I think the only guy mentioned who can hang with him in the ring is a WW SRR.
Sure, SRL fought the better opposition. But putting Floyd up against guys like Duran, Benitez, and Sugar himself, do you honestly think these guys beat him? To be honest, I don't.
Wilfredo Benitez in his prime before he got into the partying life style, would of gave Floyd Mayweather Jr fits. Roberto Duran would of beat him at Lightweight, and i'd pick SRL and Tommy Hearns over him at Welterweight.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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ICB
Oh come on bro you know im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but Ricky Hatton was never a great fighter nowhere close to it. He was a good or very good fighter, but there's a big gap between very good and great.
Oh I agree, very good but not great. I'm just relaying the consensus at the time.
Just pointing out that people will always diminish his wins. before the Hatton fight, it was "Oh finally Floyd is fighting another great, he has the style like Castillo, all you need to do is steady pressure Floyd and get him out of his comfort zone, ect ect."
Now its "well Ricky was never that good to begin with".
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
I don't have a problem with Floyd being designated an ATG. But people get carried away with the comparisons. I invite people on here to obtain and watch SRL's fights against Duran, Hearns, Hagler, and Benitez. Only THEN can you pass judgement objectively. Those were glory days in boxing, and all of the above were ATGs as well. Floyd deserves the credit he's getting... but do some research before you annoint him The Greatest Ever in Boxing.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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ICB
Wilfredo Benitez in his prime before he got into the partying life style, would of gave Floyd Mayweather Jr fits. Roberto Duran would of beat him at Lightweight, and i'd pick SRL and Tommy Hearns over him at Welterweight.
This is a rare time where I'm gonna have to disagree with ya, bro. I see SRL being outboxed by Floyd (hell, Tommy foxed him for most of the first fight and virtually all the second one). Tommy is a big threat to Floyd or anyone for that matter due to his power, speed and reach, but he's way too chinny for me to pick him against Floyd.
To be honest I see Floyd stopping Hearns in the later rounds, battering him with that lazer counter right.
Re: Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATG
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Beanflicker
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ICB
Wilfredo Benitez in his prime before he got into the partying life style, would of gave Floyd Mayweather Jr fits. Roberto Duran would of beat him at Lightweight, and i'd pick SRL and Tommy Hearns over him at Welterweight.
This is a rare time where I'm gonna have to disagree with ya, bro. I see SRL being outboxed by Floyd (hell, Tommy foxed him for most of the first fight and virtually all the second one). Tommy is a big threat to Floyd or anyone for that matter due to his power, speed and reach, but he's way too chinny for me to pick him against Floyd.
To be honest I see Floyd stopping Hearns in the later rounds, battering him with that lazer counter right.
Tommy Hearns outboxed SRL because he's 6'1, with a ridiculous reach. He's probably one of the best Welterweights of all time. I mean really who the hell could outbox Tommy Hearns at Welterweight ?
SRL is amazing his speed is amazing, his footwork is amazing. He's naturally bigger than Floyd Mayweather Jr, and his power is pretty good aswell.
Tommy Hearns didn't have a weak chin at Welterweight, and there's no way he would come forward against Tommy Hearns. He would be outboxed over 12 rounds. Just like SRL would do to Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I think your going way over the top, just because he beat a Shane Mosley. Who has been battered by Vernon Forrest in the past, outboxed handily twice by Winky Wright, and looked less than impressive lately vs Cotto, Mayorga.
Was it a great performance ? yes but you need to just calm down, and realize what your saying. Just because he beat a 38 year old Shane Mosley, doesn't mean he beats Hearns, Leonard. Thats just crazy talk.
