Someone needs to explain to me why Floyd doesn't deserve to be mentioned with ATGs

[Kev]

I said before the fight that Shane was past it and it would be a lopsided Mayweather decision. Floyd isn't mentioned w/ ATG's because
A)Ducked too much top opposition
B)Safety first fighting Style
C)He hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao
D)The one which I believe is most important. We don't know what we got till it's gone.

Lets compare, Sugar Ray Leonard, an all-time great to PBF.

Sugar Ray Leonard fought 40 fights in his career. 36-3-1, 25 KOs

Floyd Mayweather has fought 41 fights in his career. 41-0, 25 KOs

I mean yeah SRL fought some great opponents in the 80s, but Mayweather has a better record than SRL and has won a lot of big fights himself.

For people who say Mayweather ducked competition, he has had more fights than SRL did, an all-time great.

And what do you mean he hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao? Pacquiao has losses and draws. Mayweather has no loses and no draws. And why would that disqualify Mayweather from being an all-time great even if it was true? (which it isn't)

And what has Pacquiao achieved that Mayweather hasn't?

SRL didn't have more fights because he had eye problems, which is why he retired for a few years and comeback. Im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but come on Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone close to.

Wilfredo Benitez
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran

Yeah but come on Ice most people think he lost to three of them

[doublehook2]

Wilfredo Benitez
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran

Yeah but come on Ice most people think he lost to three of them

SRL was a great fighter, but he was never as dominant as Mayweather is now. He never systematically destroyed any one of those guys like he did Mosley tonight. Yeah the second fight he embarrassed Duran, but that was after Duran already beat him. Tommy Hearns was ahead on the cards against SRL, and had that been a 12 round fight, he may have lost to Hearns. In their second fight, it was a draw, but SRL got knocked down twice against Hearns and most people thought Hearns won.

SRL did beat Hagler in a 12 round decision, and it was impressive, but it wasn't as dominant as Floyd looked tonight against Mosley.

It's a great comparison, and both are all-time greats for difference reasons.

What really does put Mayweather ahead of all these fighters is that he's undefeated. Mayweather is undefeated. These other all-time greats were not undefeated. Yeah Mayweather picks his opponents, but Mayweather has fought some of the best guys of this era, like Corrales, DLH, etc.

You gotta put Mayweather up there.

I don't know if Mayweather could beat guys like Williams or Foreman at 154 the way he beat a 38 year old Shane Mosley. PBF is a hall of famer, an all-time great. There's no way around it.

Is he beatable? Sure he is, as Shane showed tonight in the 2nd, but it would take something we haven't seen thus far against him. And you can't just do it one time.

Fighting Mayweather is kind of like facing Mike Tyson in Mike Tyson's Punch Out on the original Nintendo. One jab, hook combo by PBF may not knock you out, but it could deplete half your energy, like it did tonight to Shane in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

[ICB]

Wilfredo Benitez
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran

Yeah but come on Ice most people think he lost to three of them

SRL was a great fighter, but he was never as dominant as Mayweather is now. He never systematically destroyed any one of those guys like he did Mosley tonight. Yeah the second fight he embarrassed Duran, but that was after Duran already beat him. Tommy Hearns was ahead on the cards against SRL, and had that been a 12 round fight, he may have lost to Hearns. In their second fight, it was a draw, but SRL got knocked down twice against Hearns and most people thought Hearns won.

SRL did beat Hagler in a 12 round decision, and it was impressive, but it wasn't as dominant as Floyd looked tonight against Mosley.

It's a great comparison, and both are all-time greats for difference reasons.

What really does put Mayweather ahead of all these fighters is that he's undefeated. Mayweather is undefeated. These other all-time greats were not undefeated. Yeah Mayweather picks his opponents, but Mayweather has fought some of the best guys of this era, like Corrales, DLH, etc.

You gotta put Mayweather up there.

I don't know if Mayweather could beat guys like Williams or Foreman at 154 the way he beat a 38 year old Shane Mosley. PBF is a hall of famer, an all-time great. There's no way around it.

Is he beatable? Sure he is, as Shane showed tonight in the 2nd, but it would take something we haven't seen thus far against him. And you can't just do it one time.

Fighting Mayweather is kind of like facing Mike Tyson in Mike Tyson's Punch Out on the original Nintendo. One jab, hook combo by PBF may not knock you out, but it could deplete half your energy, like it did tonight to Shane in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

He never destroyed any of them ? well maybe thats because there some of the best fighters of all time. Do you honestly think Floyd Mayweather would dominate any of those fighters ? infact he could of lost to all 4 of them let alone dominating them.

Floyd Mayweather Jr is great but lets not go overboard here, Shane Mosley has clearly seen better days. And got overrated because of his win over Antonio Margarito, outside of that he looked bad vs Ricardo Mayorga. And lost to Miguel Cotto.

Very impressive performance from Floyd Mayweather Jr, and he is one of the greats. But thats hardly like stopping Tommy Hearns in the 14th round, in one of the best fights of all time. Against one of the best fighters of all time.

[generalbulldog]

As the great Eddie Futch once said, "When you keep on fighting top level caliber opponents, you ain't going undefeated."

Leonard fought guys that are highly ranked in boxing history. Hagler is arguably the greatest MW ever. Hearns is a top 25 fighter easily, Duran is ranked by Ring Magazine as a top 5 fighter. Benitez is a top 50 fighter.

That's a hell of a resume.

I like Floyd a lot, but the comparisons of the 2 resumes is way off.

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As the great Eddie Futch once said, "When you keep on fighting top level caliber opponents, you ain't going undefeated."

Leonard fought guys that are highly ranked in boxing history. Hagler is arguably the greatest MW ever. Hearns is a top 25 fighter easily, Duran is ranked by Ring Magazine as a top 5 fighter. Benitez is a top 50 fighter.

That's a hell of a resume.

I like Floyd a lot, but the comparisons of the 2 resumes is way off.

Fair enough, but Leonard fighting in an era where there were better fighters shouldn't disqualify Mayweather from being considered an all-time great.

In this era, Mayweather has a very, very impressive resume. And despite the fact that he didn't fight Hagler, Hearns, and Duran, he still fought some of the guys of this era.

If you say that comparing SRL to Mayweather is way off, then how does someone like Roy Jones Jr compare to Sugar Ray Leonard in your opinion?

Is Roy Jones Jr resume more impressive than Mayweather? Is Roy Jones Jr more of an all-time great than Mayweather?

[Andre]

Lets compare, Sugar Ray Leonard, an all-time great to PBF.

Sugar Ray Leonard fought 40 fights in his career. 36-3-1, 25 KOs

Floyd Mayweather has fought 41 fights in his career. 41-0, 25 KOs

I mean yeah SRL fought some great opponents in the 80s, but Mayweather has a better record than SRL and has won a lot of big fights himself.

For people who say Mayweather ducked competition, he has had more fights than SRL did, an all-time great.

And what do you mean he hasn't achieved as much as Pacquiao? Pacquiao has losses and draws. Mayweather has no loses and no draws. And why would that disqualify Mayweather from being an all-time great even if it was true? (which it isn't)

And what has Pacquiao achieved that Mayweather hasn't?

SRL didn't have more fights because he had eye problems, which is why he retired for a few years and comeback. Im a big Floyd Mayweather Jr fan, but come on Floyd Mayweather Jr hasn't fought anyone close to.

Wilfredo Benitez
Tommy Hearns
Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran

Yeah but come on Ice most people think he lost to three of them

And one of them just gave up!