This is so old and boring, this is not boxing discussion, this is soap opera discussion. I hope that Pac gets a diff opponent quickly. Then retires so we can all say Mayweather ducked him and hang that over his career forever.
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This is so old and boring, this is not boxing discussion, this is soap opera discussion. I hope that Pac gets a diff opponent quickly. Then retires so we can all say Mayweather ducked him and hang that over his career forever.
I always gave Floyd the benefit of the doubt when it came to his opponents (except Marquez) but if either man goes without this fight, it will hurt Floyd's legacy more. That's just my opinion. Even though Floyd stood in the shadows, Pac and his team made it very clear how much they wanted this fight. Now Floyd can continue to use the "all roads leads to Floyd Mayweather," "I don't call anyone out, they call me out," or "I'm not looking behind me, I'm on top" lines he wants cause Pac is the one giving in to Floyd's ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I really really hope all this delaying is cause of Roger's case...
Well floyd has legit resons for not wanting to fight anyone at the mo what with Roger's legal problems.
Floyd is still the best pound for pound fighter on the planet. If pac wanted this fight he should have taken it months back instead of shitting himself about the drug tests and backing out to fight clottey.
This could easily go down in history as the greatest fight that never happened. If Roger doesn't go to prison Floyd will be ready to fight but something tells me pacquiao won't be. One of the combatants will always some issue that will keep them apart.
I'd be very interested to see what floyd does if roger get's sent down. He may retire.
Did that reason come from Floyd or his team or is it your assumption? Just asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
A day or two ago another article came out on ESPN boxing where Leonard Ellerbe challenged Arum to tell him when did negotiations took place recently specially after Arum is saying everything about the blood tests have been agreed and then refusing to go into details. We all know Bob Arum is not really your most honest person out there (a guy who defends a cheat, go figure). I am not sure who to really trust in all this or who's saying the truth or lying:rolleyes:.
People said Floyd was afraid of ODLH, after some long drama, they met in the ring. People said Floyd was avoiding Mosley and after going back and forth, they met in the ring.
i think all of this misinformation concerning mayweather jr. from bob arum is an attempt to save face for pacquiao. why in the world would pacquan alledgedly agree to do up to the fight drug tests now instead of six months or so ago? the fact is this, bob arum knew roger mayweather's trial was coming up and so he made up this crapola about pacroido wanting the fight now? arum knows mayweather jr. will not fight anyone without his trainer, roger. this is just an attempt to discredit mayweather jr. and make it look like he's afraid of pacroido, where in fact, it was pacroido who was afraid of taking a itty bitty blood test before. and the sad thing is, pacroido's fans are eating all this crapola up. just goes to show how ignorant and uninformed and shallow his fans are!!!
Arum is definitely a snake. He is a promoter. I just don't like how Ellerbe is trying to save face here. How can they say we didn't hear anything about negotiations when all this talk about what Pac and his team is willing to do to make the fight is out there in all the boxing sites. So if you hear Pac submitting to your demands and you currently aren't in formal negotiations then you wouldn't follow up on it? C'mon, Ellerbe and the rest of the Golden Boy team is just playing dumb...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
David Haye often gets slaughtered for this sort of thing and often by people who support Mayweather.
This is the biggest money making fight out there but Floyd has his head stuck up his arse like its not going on.
No wonder Floyd keeps taking the easy options, he ain't as good as some believe or he's pretended to be.
What a fake.
Totally. You can't have it both ways. Both have ducked out of fights against the biggest possible matchups in their respective divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshDevilRob
I don't think you can make excuses for Floyd really. Did he really come back for that great showdown with a seriously old and inactive Mosley and for that alone? He knew the clamour for a Pac fight was there and he has snubbed his nose up at everyone.
Floyd in recent times has been more smoke, mirrors and fraud than the greatest fighter of our time. Pac has steamrolled ahead in this regard.
No it's stating the blindingly obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerDid that reason come from Floyd or his team or is it your assumption? Just asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
blah blah blah. you never got this nonsense in the old days with the likes of henry armstrong. if this fight doesnt happen it will be a damn shame
Steve Farhood & Bill Dettloff made some interesting points, the main one being that 75% of what we think we know is probably pure bullshit. The person I want to hear from is Ross Greenberg because we was apparently the 'negotiator' so he can shed light on what did or didn't happen.
They also interestingly mentioned 3 other occasions when the #1 & #2 P4P guys have fought in the past. Hearns-Hagler, Spinks-Tyson & Whitaker-Chavez. On none of those occasions did the fight take place when people first called for it, with Tyson-Spinks being the shortest, happening a year after talks began. I mean Hearns-Hagler took 3 years before they finally fought.
Floyd will beat Pac man so really do not know why he is not signing, it just does not make sense.
Ever think he may want to see what happens with his Uncle Roger's case in August? Why would he sign for a fight and then risk losing his main trainer? You could say that Roger went to jail when he fought Baldomir but Pacquiao is no Baldomir, and Floyd wouldn't want to spare any expense. Arum is making all this noise while in reality not trying to make a deal with Mayweather at all as Ellerbe has asked Arum to prove he even tried to reach Mayweather, and so far Arum has been quiet. What Arum wanted to do was like a smart promoter lead people to think one fight isn't happening so that they can get you to order them fighting someone else in 'support' of them. Heck it worked with Clottey vs Pacquiao.
Notice how Arum loves to say how Pacquiao will fight anyone and he tries to make these fights, but it seems like its only Mayweather as the guy outside of his stable he would allow Pacquiao to fight?
Bring up Timothy Bradley or Paul Williams and he will say they can't fill arenas and he gives out "no free rides" and then tries to make us buy that a rematch with Cotto or a Margarito fight makes more sense.
Don't know how long people will buy into Arums BS.
So, it means Floyd didn't say it .....Quote:
Originally Posted by HornfingerNo it's stating the blindingly obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerDid that reason come from Floyd or his team or is it your assumption? Just asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Why the heck didn't Floyd 'loudmouth' Mayweather just say it himself??!!