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You think Berto would beat Cotto worse then Pac? It's fun to watch Berto highlight reels but he is not even close to a finished product and at this point probably never will be. It would be a close fight I think Cotto would win.
Was the fight at 147 or 154? I don't think Cotto should go back down to 147 yet. Cotto-Berto is undeniably a greater fight then Cotto-Matirosyan.
who of not has Berto blasted out? i mean it took him longer than both Williams and Cotto to get Quintana out of there, Berto has been hurt by light punchers before (Collazo and Cosme Rivera) and Cotto hits a hell of a lot harder than both, both have stamina issues in the later rounds, and Berto tends to throw the gameplan out of the window, add in the fact that he has yet to face a marquee name, Cotto stops Berto in 8, also don't forget that a Jr. Welterweight did what Berto couldn't which was knock Urango the fuck out, Berto never even really wobbled him, hell he didn't look impressive at all in a long time cause even Quintana was able to get to him early onQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAA
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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
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Originally Posted by OnixAA
I'm still waiting for someone to capitalize on Berto's glaring weakness's (defense, footwork, inside game). Cotto definitely has the skills to be the man, I mean if Collazo had more power he would have been that man. I don't understand the argument that Cotto is not ready for Berto, the statement should be reversed, Cotto has to be one of the best boxer/punchers in the last 5 years whilst Berto 100% relies on his amazing hand speed. I can understand from the business side not wanting the fight, Berto isn't a big draw and has kinda fallen off the radar since backing out of his fight with Mosley (please note I don't hold it against him, but it is what it is).
It's not so bad that Berto backed out of the fight with Mosley, but no follow up act? I think his management and team are looking for a better spot to put Berto on display. Someone more road worn and box-able. And, I don't think it's going to happen this year. He is gonna have trouble finding fights, and his stock has dropped out after Callazo pushed him to the edge in a fight he thought he was going to showcase his abilities..
Berto is not at fault for not putting Urango on the canvas. Obviously you haven't watched very many of Uragos fights, because he definitely has one of the best chins in boxing. And, the guy who did stop him? Well guess what, Devon Alexander is one of the hardest punchers in boxing. And Randal Bailey put Urango on his ass in the 6th with one of the hardest right hands I've ever seen. A career ending shot for most, but got up and Urango came back to win that fight.
Alexander is one of the hardest hitting fighters today, but Berto isn't, that's my point, as for Bailey although he does have devastating power (even today) he is way past his best, so if he was able to drop Urango so badly why wasn't Berto if he had this fearsome power that some of the other guys are saying he hasQuote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFolds
I think a few people havent read the first post properly. It says because Cotto doesnt want to fight Berto, Berto will now look to fight Angulo while Cotto goes for Martyrosian:rolleyes:
I think Berto stops Cotto, hes quick accurate and powerfull.
....he's ducking, scared, chicken so on and so forth. Oh wait that's only for floyd.
Opinions are like assholes... everybody's got one. Here's mine: Cotto haters will bet against him against the most meaningless Joe Blow off the street. Credit is hard to come by from haters, and is quickly taken away at the first sign of weakness. But MY opinion is that Cotto is a different fighter with Steward now in his corner. Miguel made a terrible mistake in taking the Pacquiao fight with Joe fukking Santiago in his corner. No offense to the man... but he doesn't know SQUAT about boxing strategy or game plans. Steward is a proven professional. Angulo's a tough guy, but he gets taken apart by Cotto. And Berto? I've been wanting to see Berto's balloon deflated for a long time. He's got skills, don't get me wrong. But it rubs me the wrong way when the press builds a bandwagon and everybody jumps on before the "annointed one" does anything of true merit. Berto is still raw, and has had his rough moments against boxers not in the same tier as Cotto. So you do the math.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAAQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
Berto has bad habits, keeps his hands too low, strays away from the gameplan, gets hit too much, and these are things he HASN'T fixed, and i doubt he ever will, Cotto brutally breaks Berto apart, i don't see that fight ending any differently than Cotto/JudahQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanOpinions are like assholes... everybody's got one. Here's mine: Cotto haters will bet against him against the most meaningless Joe Blow off the street. Credit is hard to come by from haters, and is quickly taken away at the first sign of weakness. But MY opinion is that Cotto is a different fighter with Steward now in his corner. Miguel made a terrible mistake in taking the Pacquiao fight with Joe fukking Santiago in his corner. No offense to the man... but he doesn't know SQUAT about boxing strategy or game plans. Steward is a proven professional. Angulo's a tough guy, but he gets taken apart by Cotto. And Berto? I've been wanting to see Berto's balloon deflated for a long time. He's got skills, don't get me wrong. But it rubs me the wrong way when the press builds a bandwagon and everybody jumps on before the "annointed one" does anything of true merit. Berto is still raw, and has had his rough moments against boxers not in the same tier as Cotto. So you do the math.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAAQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
ANGULO is going to destroy that aroz con pollo eatin MOFO.al cotto is doing is loking for one good PAYDAY.that CHUMP IS SHOT BIGTIME............
Cotto soundly beats Vanes.
Cotto beats Berto in what starts off as a competative bout until Cotto drops him with a hook down stairs.
Cotto beats Angulo in hard fought battle that see's Angulo taking a knee. While Cotto suffers from cuts.
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Originally Posted by SPARROW
Not sure that there is a Berto bandwagon but if there is I will gladly sit in the drivers seat, especially if there ever were a fight between the two. I also wouldnt say anyone is a Cotto hater for saying he is going to get beat by another fighter. Cotto has been in some very damaging battles and it appears, in MY opinion, that is has really took a toll on his body. The next puncher he gets in there with is going to stop Cotto in bad fashion and it could be either Angulo or Berto. Both are good punchers and Berto also has great speed, throw that in with a war torn Cotto and its only a matter of time before seeing him laid out Ricky Hatton style.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanOpinions are like assholes... everybody's got one. Here's mine: Cotto haters will bet against him against the most meaningless Joe Blow off the street. Credit is hard to come by from haters, and is quickly taken away at the first sign of weakness. But MY opinion is that Cotto is a different fighter with Steward now in his corner. Miguel made a terrible mistake in taking the Pacquiao fight with Joe fukking Santiago in his corner. No offense to the man... but he doesn't know SQUAT about boxing strategy or game plans. Steward is a proven professional. Angulo's a tough guy, but he gets taken apart by Cotto. And Berto? I've been wanting to see Berto's balloon deflated for a long time. He's got skills, don't get me wrong. But it rubs me the wrong way when the press builds a bandwagon and everybody jumps on before the "annointed one" does anything of true merit. Berto is still raw, and has had his rough moments against boxers not in the same tier as Cotto. So you do the math.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnixAAQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Respect the opinion, however I think Berto would DESTROY, I think CRUCIFY would be a better description, Cotto. Probably a worst beating then he took from Manny Pac. Mostly because of the mileage but also Berto hits harder and is obviosuly bigger than Manny and he still has alot of speed.
As for Angulo, he doest the same as Berto but slower and he may not get the knockout but he punishes Cotto all the same.
Yet when it's rumoured that Khan will be fighting a weak opponent for pretty much the same reason you flag him up on it ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales