Tomasz Adamek, is he really a big deal as a heavyweight, really??

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by therealremi

No, Adamek is not a big deal at heavyweight. But he is not much less prospective than Chicken Little, who has far less fights on his resume and generates 20x more hype. And how Arreola and Grant are worse than Ruiz and Valuev? I would say even Jason Estrada in his fight against Adamek was better than those two.
Regarding Chad Dawson, no matter how talented, this guy WAS a cancer to boxing. He couldn't be more gay in his fight with Adamek. Anyway, I wouldn't draw to much conclusions about Adamek from this fight - Chad Dawson offered to fight both Chicken and Adamek in heavy so I would wait for that.

There's one thing we should consider before judging Adamek at heavyweight: he came to heavy cause he couldn't earn decent money fighting contenders in cruiser. It's kind of sad but at least he takes what's offered to him, instead of trash talking and ducking (yes, you can do them both at the same time!) for years.
Now it's kind of ironic cause it seems that Klits need Adamek more than he needs them: he has plenty of fans among Poles in New Jersey and it looks like more fans would come for Adamek than for Wlad or Vitali. Probably that's the reason Adamek is a hot topic now.

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Lyle is that you me old mucker. :confused:

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Might be. Either that or Lyle is getting himself a bit of a following ???

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Originally Posted by skel1983

Lyle is that you me old mucker. :confused:

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No, it's not me, the nickname Chicken Little has just all of a sudden become a popular way to refer to the WBA Heavyweight title holder.

rjjtszyu....are you scared? ;D

Great post Bilbs. He stands out because he's not fat and shit, but talent wise he's fairly average, and he's fairly exciting. He's not that big so he could come a cropper against any Heavyweight.

I think he has a good chance against anyone other than Wlad, Vitali and Haye. A lot of the others could knock him out, but he would be competitive.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

It seems like Tomasz Adamek is getting almost as much attention as David Haye these days and is considered the fourth best fighter in the division by most pundits and experts now.

I am completely unconvinced and fail to see what is impressive about him at all as a heavyweight.

I think it's relative. What I mean by that is people are impressed because he has come up from the lower weight classes and so people are impressed he's able to hang with bigger guys. But in absolute terms I don't see what he has done to make us think he's better than the likes of Solis, Eddie Chambers, Povetkin, or even Chagaev, Thompson, Gomez etc?

He beat a Chris Arreola who only had one arm for much of the fight, and Arreola hasn't looked good for ages. And then he went life and death with Michael Grant. This was seen as a great win over a big man, but come on be honest, most of you, just like me, had assumed Michael Grant had retired 10 years ago hadn't you? I'd never even heard of him being on the boxing scene and a win over him is no more impressive than if Paul Williams had moved up to middleweight and won a close 12 rounder against William Joppy or Keith Holmes.

It's such a weird hype train, all I see is a little man who will get wrecked if he ever gets in the ring with either Klitschko, or Solis, Thompson, Gomez, and maybe Haye for that matter.

Don't see the interest in him at all. His amazing 'skill' is relative as well. Compared to some of the joke heavies sure, but against a real skilful fighter like Chad Dawson he was crap and apart from a flash knockdown lost virtually every single round.

He didn't beat anyone at cruiserweight, just an O'Neil Bell on self destruct who quit and then won a SD against the 'not bad but certainly nothing exceptional' Steve Cunningham.

He's had an easy ride to the top and already has looked vulnerable.

Just don't see the appeal whatsoever. I know Solis has not stepped up yet, but its clear for anyone who has seen him fight that he is above Adamek and Haye imo.

These two will be done and dusted by this time next time year.

So, does anyone else agree with me that Adamek is the most overrated heavyweight right now? Or am I mad?

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Bilbo you keep saying flash knockdown everytime you mention Tomasz Adamek, it wasn't a flash knockdown he hurt Chad Dawson with that knockdown. And he won all the remaining rounds after that knockdown, so it was nowhere near a flash knockdown.

Steve Cunningham is probably the best Cruiserweight Tomasz Adamek could have fought, why are you criticizing him for that ? who else could he have fought better than Steve Cunningham ? and a win over O'Neil Bell was impressive aswell. A fighter i seem to remember you thinking could have beaten David Haye.

Many people thought Chris Arreola would beat Tomasz Adamek, i don't know all about this one arm business. But it certainly didn't seem that way when i watched it. If Chris Arreola was good enough to fight Vitali Klitschko, then he should be good enough for Tomasz Adamek, and i can't see how anyone wouldn't be impressed with that win.

Thats ridiculous Bilbo, thats nothing like Paul Williams moving up to fight Keith Holmes or William Joppy. So those fighters have over 11 inch reach advantage, 6 inch height advantage. Aswell as 44 pounds weight advantage ?

Yes Michael Grant has seen better days, but just for the physical disadvantages alone Tomasz Adamek deserves credit.

Lastly i don't think anyone's really sold on him as Heavyweight, i just think as you said. People are impressed he can hang with bigger guys, and he's exciting and in shape. Which is pretty rare for Heavyweight's.

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Originally Posted by ono

Great post Bilbs. He stands out because he's not fat and shit, but talent wise he's fairly average, and he's fairly exciting. He's not that big so he could come a cropper against any Heavyweight.

I think he has a good chance against anyone other than Wlad, Vitali and Haye. A lot of the others could knock him out, but he would be competitive.

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To be honest though who is really sold on Tomasz Adamek as a Heavyweight ? pretty much everyone thinks he will destroyed by either Klitschko, i just think he's a very likeable fighter. So many people get behind him and root for him.

To me what i think is ridiculous in Bilbo's post, is that he said Tomasz Adamek didn't beat anyone at Cruiserweight. But yet Steve Cunningham is the best Cruiserweight currently, and was the best Cruiserweight Tomasz Adamek could have fought. So how does that even make sense ?

So really how is it a great post ? Infact i think Bilbo's just a hater, and has pretty much took credit away. From Tomasz Adamek best wins. And has made ridiculous comparison about how Paul Williams moving up to fight Keith Holmes or William Joppy, is in the same park as moving to fight Michael Grant who had ridiculous physical advantages.

If he would just man up and fight Sexton, he would probably be able to beat Haye after that. :p

Seriously, what other top 10 heavyweight has fought 3 times this year already. Adamek is always in the ring or training.
I haven't heard anyone claiming he'd beat the klits and very few saying he'd have a chance against Haye. But he is a big deal
because the heavyweight division is sorely lacking that second tier, and he fits that bill fine. He's exciting to watch and improves
with every fight.

There is an old saying in Spanish... I don't know how well it translates into English, but I guess it goes something like this:

"In the land of blind men, the one-eyed man is king.

;)

No chances at all against the K but I see many reasons why he could beat Haye, stamina and an iron chin being two very good thing to consider and if Barrett can knock Haye down, Hell Adamek can. Beside, he has a good chance against most of the HW in my opinion, not saying he would beat them all but he has his fair chance against most of them. HE will never get down in history as a super HW but as a good one with exciting fights to see and not only once per year, that should be enough to earn some respect. Beside, I am absolutely convinced that Haye will never fight him and will do everything he can to avoid him and to fight meaningless challenger :D

The funny thing is how AFTER Adamek had beaten them, fighters like O'Neil Bell, Cunningham, Banks or Arreola have become "on self destruct" or "nothing exceptional". I remember people saying other things before the fights. I remember how Banks once seemed "very dangerous" to everyone, even after first rounds of the fight. I'm sure Adamek could have stopped the careers of other boxers as well, but as others have said: who did he duck?

Been of a fan of Tomasz since his battles with Briggs...

Vitaly & Haye due to their style I think beat Tomasz. However out of the 2 I think with Haye he's got a better shot at shocking him.

From there I think he's got a really good chance at beating Wladdy. Here's why, I think Wlad will be very catious and I think Adamek will be able to get inside and land shots.
A very hard fought but I think Adamek can pull it off.

From there I think Adamek can beat the likes of Povetkin, Chagaev, Thompson, Valuev, Dimitrenko. I just don't see anything that those guys have that can beat Adamek.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Been of a fan of Tomasz since his battles with Briggs...

Vitaly & Haye due to their style I think beat Tomasz. However out of the 2 I think with Haye he's got a better shot at shocking him.

From there I think he's got a really good chance at beating Wladdy. Here's why, I think Wlad will be very catious and I think Adamek will be able to get inside and land shots.
A very hard fought but I think Adamek can pull it off.

From there I think Adamek can beat the likes of Povetkin, Chagaev, Thompson, Valuev, Dimitrenko. I just don't see anything that those guys have that can beat Adamek.

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Wow! I think this is the first time that I'm reading someone say that Adamek can beat Wlad.

Personally, I don't think it's possible. I don't think Adamek has enough power to keep Wladimir off of him and I doubt he will be able to outwork Wlad either since he will have to spend the majority of the fight just trying to get on the inside.

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You really think he beats Povetkin, Solis, Gomez, Thompson, Chagaev etc based on what you have seen?

Cos I think he loses all those fights. :-\

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I don't think he loses ALL of those fights...but Tomaz at least has the balls to fight anyone that's willing to give him a shot and I think THAT is the reason people are high on him at the moment.

Wlad or Vitali stomp him easy, but to the other heavyweights Adamek is a serious threat

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Haye would stop Adamek quicker than either Klit and that I can guarantee.

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I very much doubt that. It's not as if haye has been blasting opponents out within a round at heavyweight! Adamek is sturdy took shots from arreola fine for the most part. Given that tho even tho haye MIGHT stop adamek quicker, adamek would also have a decent shot at beating haye, and pretty much almost no chance against either klit.

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I think it's a good prediction to say Haye KO's Adamek quicker than either Klit. He goes out there and goes for the KO, look at the first shot he landed on Ruiz, I don't see many HW's getting up from that. I'm not trying to make Ruiz out to be great but to dismiss him as not being a resilient bugger with not much punch resistance would be unfair and Haye just floored him like he was a chinny bum. There is no way either Klit would have done that so early and if Haye had stepped back and picked Ruiz off he would have got the early KO in that fight whereas lets face it a Ruiz-Klit fight would be more of a wrestling match that probably went the distance.

I'm not saying that Haye's ability to get someone out quicker than the Klits makes him better than the Klits although I do think he has a great chance of beating them. We all know Wlad doesn't handle speed and power well, and last time he fought someone with both them qualities he was KO'd and Haye has more power and speed than Sanders IMO and his footwork and elusiveness is better too. As for Vitali to be totally honest I don't think Haye would have much chance in his prime but now I think he would cause Vitali hell. He has shown recently he is definitely on the slide and for me it is the perfect time for Haye to make a move on him before fighting Wlad!

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I highly doubt ruiz would go the distance with wlad. Ruiz doesnt really have anything to trouble wlad with. Wlad I think would have him out right about where haye had him out after softening him up with the jab. I would venture to say round 6 or 7 if he decided to lay it on him there. I'm not saying haye is a soft puncher but I think his power is being a little over rated at heavy, ruiz had been knocked out before, and well barrett was stopped a few times previously as well...

Anyways I don't want to hijack this thread and turn it into another klit haye thread, we got plenty of those. I'm surprised cutmemick thinks adamek could take wlad, which I think is the first person to think so on here, it's boxing tho. It's a fight I almost don't want to see coming off because I think it's a fight that I think could ruin adamek. You know he's not getting stoped on his chair , if he's going out he's going out...

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Originally Posted by ono

Great post Bilbs. He stands out because he's not fat and shit, but talent wise he's fairly average, and he's fairly exciting. He's not that big so he could come a cropper against any Heavyweight.

I think he has a good chance against anyone other than Wlad, Vitali and Haye. A lot of the others could knock him out, but he would be competitive.

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To be honest though who is really sold on Tomasz Adamek as a Heavyweight ? pretty much everyone thinks he will destroyed by either Klitschko, i just think he's a very likeable fighter. So many people get behind him and root for him.

To me what i think is ridiculous in Bilbo's post, is that he said Tomasz Adamek didn't beat anyone at Cruiserweight. But yet Steve Cunningham is the best Cruiserweight currently, and was the best Cruiserweight Tomasz Adamek could have fought. So how does that even make sense ?

So really how is it a great post ? Infact i think Bilbo's just a hater, and has pretty much took credit away. From Tomasz Adamek best wins. And has made ridiculous comparison about how Paul Williams moving up to fight Keith Holmes or William Joppy, is in the same park as moving to fight Michael Grant who had ridiculous physical advantages.

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Well Ring magazine for one, they have him the number 4 challenger now. HBO for two, in fact most boxing analysts rate him in the top 5 heavies now behind the Klits, Haye, and Povetkin.

To me that is a very high rating, and one that bears scrutiny so I think my question is legitimate.

I don't see that he has beaten anybody really. Arreola is the only name opponent he has fought, and let's be honest he was totally overatted. Look at his record, who has Arreola beat? Jameel Mcline and Brian Minto? Arreola has only ever fought one top 10 guy, in Vitali, and he got dominated.

I think Haye is overated too of course.

The problem is that all the best heavies, have already fought the Klits and been demolished hence anybody can get in the top 10 these days, all you need to do is win one fight and your right up there.

From the amount Adamek stuggled against Arreola and Grant I see nothing to suggest he could beat Povetkin, Chambers, Gomez, Thompson, Solis.

I don't think he's done anything more impressive at heavyweight than Derek Chisora in all honesty. Why is beating Michael Grant impressive? just because he is tall? Sorry but that's ridiculous, and totally relative. It's impressive becuase Adamek is little, but it's not impressive in an absolute sense.

Had Wlad gone 12 rounds and been wobbled like that against Grant it would have been deemed an embarrasment. If it was Vitali, everyone would be saying he needs to hang up the gloves. But because Adamek is a little guy it's impressive and he gets a top 5 spot in the heavyweight division.

On that performance I think Oliver McCall would give Adamek a tought night too, that's not really impressive form.

Eddie Chambers deserves to be above him imo. I know he got knocked out by Wlad but he comfortably outpointed the much bigger Dimitrenko. Robert Helenius is 10-0 and already has ko wins over Lamon Brewster and Scott Gammer.

All I'm saying is that I don't believe Adamek is truly the 5th best fighter in the heavyweight division. Honestly I doubt he's top 15.

I think the following would all beat him.

Wlad
Vitali
Povetkin
Chambers
Solis
Thompson
Gomez
Dimitrenko

I think Adamek is an underdog to all of them

I also think the following are 50/50 fights

Valuev
Haye (he's overated too)
Kevin Johnson
Derek Chisora
Tyson Fury (you can laugh but he's a massive man and more of a test than Grant imo who Adamek was rocked against)
Chagaev
Boystov
Panieta
Helenuis (these three are unknowns at this point but their records suggest trouble)

Then there are others who it would not suprise me at all were he to be upset by them.

Briggs.
Brewster
Either Ibragimov
Peter


I just don't see what a man who lost to a 175lb Chad Dawson, and struggled to beat Cunningham, a pretty mediocre world champ (the cruiserweight division is piss poor right now) is going to bring to the division, other than large Polish crowds.

It will be interesting to see who he fights next. I don't think he'll go much further to be honest, and the idea that he is the 5th best heavy in the world is silly to me.

Of all the 20 or so fighters I've listed above I think he loses more than 10.

What about if Adamek chooses the money route and has some big money fights vs Chicken Little, Bernard Hopkins, Evander Holyfield, Antonio Tarver, or Roy Jones Jr. (yes it pains me to say that but IMO Roy would still take that fight and AT HEAVYWEIGHT cases could be made that he has a better chance [although that would be a very hard sell to real fight fans])?

I think the guy has 0 chance vs Wlad or Vitali, but he's got so much heart, determination, and desire that he could beat almost anyone else on any given night.

I think a rematch vs Jonathan Banks could be interesting too, he's been doing well of late. Also Alexander Ustinov the 6'7 300+ pound Ukrainian would pose a huge threat to Adamek at least in size.