Tomasz Adamek, is he really a big deal as a heavyweight, really??

[ICB]

Great post Bilbs. He stands out because he's not fat and shit, but talent wise he's fairly average, and he's fairly exciting. He's not that big so he could come a cropper against any Heavyweight.

I think he has a good chance against anyone other than Wlad, Vitali and Haye. A lot of the others could knock him out, but he would be competitive.

To be honest though who is really sold on Tomasz Adamek as a Heavyweight ? pretty much everyone thinks he will destroyed by either Klitschko, i just think he's a very likeable fighter. So many people get behind him and root for him.

To me what i think is ridiculous in Bilbo's post, is that he said Tomasz Adamek didn't beat anyone at Cruiserweight. But yet Steve Cunningham is the best Cruiserweight currently, and was the best Cruiserweight Tomasz Adamek could have fought. So how does that even make sense ?

So really how is it a great post ? Infact i think Bilbo's just a hater, and has pretty much took credit away. From Tomasz Adamek best wins. And has made ridiculous comparison about how Paul Williams moving up to fight Keith Holmes or William Joppy, is in the same park as moving to fight Michael Grant who had ridiculous physical advantages.

[killersheep]

If he would just man up and fight Sexton, he would probably be able to beat Haye after that.

Seriously, what other top 10 heavyweight has fought 3 times this year already. Adamek is always in the ring or training.
I haven't heard anyone claiming he'd beat the klits and very few saying he'd have a chance against Haye. But he is a big deal
because the heavyweight division is sorely lacking that second tier, and he fits that bill fine. He's exciting to watch and improves
with every fight.

[Kev]

Great post Bilbs. He stands out because he's not fat and shit, but talent wise he's fairly average, and he's fairly exciting. He's not that big so he could come a cropper against any Heavyweight.

I think he has a good chance against anyone other than Wlad, Vitali and Haye. A lot of the others could knock him out, but he would be competitive.

To be honest though who is really sold on Tomasz Adamek as a Heavyweight ? pretty much everyone thinks he will destroyed by either Klitschko, i just think he's a very likeable fighter. So many people get behind him and root for him.

To me what i think is ridiculous in Bilbo's post, is that he said Tomasz Adamek didn't beat anyone at Cruiserweight. But yet Steve Cunningham is the best Cruiserweight currently, and was the best Cruiserweight Tomasz Adamek could have fought. So how does that even make sense ?

So really how is it a great post ? Infact i think Bilbo's just a hater, and has pretty much took credit away. From Tomasz Adamek best wins. And has made ridiculous comparison about how Paul Williams moving up to fight Keith Holmes or William Joppy, is in the same park as moving to fight Michael Grant who had ridiculous physical advantages.

Well Ring magazine for one, they have him the number 4 challenger now. HBO for two, in fact most boxing analysts rate him in the top 5 heavies now behind the Klits, Haye, and Povetkin.

To me that is a very high rating, and one that bears scrutiny so I think my question is legitimate.

I don't see that he has beaten anybody really. Arreola is the only name opponent he has fought, and let's be honest he was totally overatted. Look at his record, who has Arreola beat? Jameel Mcline and Brian Minto? Arreola has only ever fought one top 10 guy, in Vitali, and he got dominated.

I think Haye is overated too of course.

The problem is that all the best heavies, have already fought the Klits and been demolished hence anybody can get in the top 10 these days, all you need to do is win one fight and your right up there.

From the amount Adamek stuggled against Arreola and Grant I see nothing to suggest he could beat Povetkin, Chambers, Gomez, Thompson, Solis.

I don't think he's done anything more impressive at heavyweight than Derek Chisora in all honesty. Why is beating Michael Grant impressive? just because he is tall? Sorry but that's ridiculous, and totally relative. It's impressive becuase Adamek is little, but it's not impressive in an absolute sense.

Had Wlad gone 12 rounds and been wobbled like that against Grant it would have been deemed an embarrasment. If it was Vitali, everyone would be saying he needs to hang up the gloves. But because Adamek is a little guy it's impressive and he gets a top 5 spot in the heavyweight division.

On that performance I think Oliver McCall would give Adamek a tought night too, that's not really impressive form.

Eddie Chambers deserves to be above him imo. I know he got knocked out by Wlad but he comfortably outpointed the much bigger Dimitrenko. Robert Helenius is 10-0 and already has ko wins over Lamon Brewster and Scott Gammer.

All I'm saying is that I don't believe Adamek is truly the 5th best fighter in the heavyweight division. Honestly I doubt he's top 15.

I think the following would all beat him.

Wlad
Vitali
Povetkin
Chambers
Solis
Thompson
Gomez
Dimitrenko

I think Adamek is an underdog to all of them

I also think the following are 50/50 fights

Valuev
Haye (he's overated too)
Kevin Johnson
Derek Chisora
Tyson Fury (you can laugh but he's a massive man and more of a test than Grant imo who Adamek was rocked against)
Chagaev
Boystov
Panieta
Helenuis (these three are unknowns at this point but their records suggest trouble)

Then there are others who it would not suprise me at all were he to be upset by them.

Briggs.
Brewster
Either Ibragimov
Peter


I just don't see what a man who lost to a 175lb Chad Dawson, and struggled to beat Cunningham, a pretty mediocre world champ (the cruiserweight division is piss poor right now) is going to bring to the division, other than large Polish crowds.

It will be interesting to see who he fights next. I don't think he'll go much further to be honest, and the idea that he is the 5th best heavy in the world is silly to me.

Of all the 20 or so fighters I've listed above I think he loses more than 10.

[El Kabong]

What about if Adamek chooses the money route and has some big money fights vs Chicken Little, Bernard Hopkins, Evander Holyfield, Antonio Tarver, or Roy Jones Jr. (yes it pains me to say that but IMO Roy would still take that fight and AT HEAVYWEIGHT cases could be made that he has a better chance [although that would be a very hard sell to real fight fans])?

I think the guy has 0 chance vs Wlad or Vitali, but he's got so much heart, determination, and desire that he could beat almost anyone else on any given night.

I think a rematch vs Jonathan Banks could be interesting too, he's been doing well of late. Also Alexander Ustinov the 6'7 300+ pound Ukrainian would pose a huge threat to Adamek at least in size.

[rjj tszyu]

What about if Adamek chooses the money route and has some big money fights vs Chicken Little, Bernard Hopkins, Evander Holyfield, Antonio Tarver, or Roy Jones Jr. (yes it pains me to say that but IMO Roy would still take that fight and AT HEAVYWEIGHT cases could be made that he has a better chance [although that would be a very hard sell to real fight fans])?

I think the guy has 0 chance vs Wlad or Vitali, but he's got so much heart, determination, and desire that he could beat almost anyone else on any given night.

I think a rematch vs Jonathan Banks could be interesting too, he's been doing well of late. Also Alexander Ustinov the 6'7 300+ pound Ukrainian would pose a huge threat to Adamek at least in size.

No. Banks is Shite. As soon as he fights a world level fighter again (Which Adamek is no doubt) he will be beaten. Haye would stop Adamek in the mid rounds comforatbly for me. For fuck sake he's just had the fight of his life with Michael Grant who in his prime was shite and he is quite a bit removed from that!

[armin]

"No. Banks is Shite. As soon as he fights a world level fighter again (Which Adamek is no doubt) he will be beaten. Haye would stop Adamek in the mid rounds comforatbly for me. For fuck sake he's just had the fight of his life with Michael Grant who in his prime was shite and he is quite a bit removed from that!"


Yes but the size is what bothered adamek, not grant's skill. Haye won't have 5 or 6 inches on adamek like grant did. Hell valuev had 8 inches or something on haye, did haye look spectacular in that fight? Don't tell me valuev is much better than grant or something cause the dude should have like 5 freaking losses on his record.

[rjj tszyu]

"No. Banks is Shite. As soon as he fights a world level fighter again (Which Adamek is no doubt) he will be beaten. Haye would stop Adamek in the mid rounds comforatbly for me. For fuck sake he's just had the fight of his life with Michael Grant who in his prime was shite and he is quite a bit removed from that!"


Yes but the size is what bothered adamek, not grant's skill. Haye won't have 5 or 6 inches on adamek like grant did. Hell valuev had 8 inches or something on haye, did haye look spectacular in that fight? Don't tell me valuev is much better than grant or something cause the dude should have like 5 freaking losses on his record.

I'm not saying Valuev is good but lets face it, a prime Grant was KO'd in the first round by Jameel McCline for fuck sake. Valuev never looked in trouble against that bum, not for a single second. Anyway I don't want to get into this as it sounds like I'm sticking up for Valuev when that is not the case. I'm just emphasising that Grant is really really shit. By the way Valuev had 11 inches on Haye

[armin]

Hmm haye is listed as 6'3 and valuev as 7'0 on boxrec, so 9 inches according to them, but still same difference. Reason haye didn't look spectacular against valuev is due to the size differential, same reason adamek didn't look spectacular against grant.

"a prime Grant was KO'd in the first round by Jameel McCline for fuck sake." Well a near prime john ruiz was knocked out by tua in round 1, took haye 9 for an over the hill version....I'm not saying adamek beats haye, I'm just saying he would stand a decent enough chance against him. Adamek's got a sturdy chin, and while not the biggest banger at heavy he's got some good skills and haye's chin isn't iron, while I can't see him even connecting on wladimir.