Ortiz KO's Murray within 5 rounds
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Ortiz KO's Murray within 5 rounds
After watching the fight last night, Murray didn't really impress that much, so if Frank is going to offer him some proper money to fight on the Khan undercard, with an even bigger payday down the line if they both pick up the wins, then I think he should take it.
As someone mentioned, he's not going to be earning that much with the shows he's doing at the moment, and the more journeymen he fights, eventually complacency will sneak in, and he might get caught out and lose. A title shot now is worth two in the bush (or something like that).
As for the weight, if he is having difficulties, it's just another nudge towards the Warren offer.
The offer is from Golden Boy, I think they see this as more British fans tuning in and getting to see more of Ortiz as Bradley/Alexander do agree to fight there is deffo a rematch so I see Glodenboy trying to make Khan v Ortiz if Khan gets past Maidana and Murray is not a bad opponent for him and like I said will get more Brits interested in Ortiz.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
The warren reference I was making was regard to Murray whose contract has now run out with fat Mick and for me I would sign with Warren and then there is the possibility of Mitchell v Murray which is probably the best domestic fight out there for me in the whole country.
And also for people saying he is struggling to make 135 not at all John is very comfortable at 135, but when Adam Smith asked him about the Ortiz fight after last night, his answer/reaction to me looked like he has no interest in that fight and as a big fan of Murray I think he would be blown away.
Whoops, that'll be my alzheimers kicking in there, however, if the offer on the table for him to fight at 140 and the money is significantly better, then I'm not sure he shouldn't look more seriously at that. Either way, he needs to get a fight organised that will invigorate him and get him closer to a world title shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Murray is a good fighter but far too one dimensional and predictable at the world level.
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Originally Posted by Master
naa, you are wrong
he has the perfect style to beat ortiz
he may not have a long carear at world class but he is certainly good enough to mix it with the big boys for a time
khan was wrong when he assessed murrays performance on saturday night, certain things may or may not work for him but that doesnt mean they do or they dont for other boxers
im looking forward to dec 11th now a lot more than i was, i hope it happens
JMM would box circles around Murray, so would a Paulie maliggnagiQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
naa, you are wrong
he has the perfect style to beat ortiz
he may not have a long carear at world class but he is certainly good enough to mix it with the big boys for a time
khan was wrong when he assessed murrays performance on saturday night, certain things may or may not work for him but that doesnt mean they do or they dont for other boxers
im looking forward to dec 11th now a lot more than i was, i hope it happens
Agree with all of this. Khan would muller him and Ortiz will stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
JMM maybe, murray would beat malliggnanananaiaiaiiaa hands downQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterJMM would box circles around Murray, so would a Paulie maliggnagiQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
naa, you are wrong
he has the perfect style to beat ortiz
he may not have a long carear at world class but he is certainly good enough to mix it with the big boys for a time
khan was wrong when he assessed murrays performance on saturday night, certain things may or may not work for him but that doesnt mean they do or they dont for other boxers
im looking forward to dec 11th now a lot more than i was, i hope it happens
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Originally Posted by koppasAgree with all of this. Khan would muller him and Ortiz will stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
khan maybe, murray will beat ortiz
IF the fight happens, I'll bet you £20 he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAgree with all of this. Khan would muller him and Ortiz will stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
khan maybe, murray will beat ortiz
bring it on loserQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasIF the fight happens, I'll bet you £20 he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAgree with all of this. Khan would muller him and Ortiz will stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
khan maybe, murray will beat ortiz
Eric I respect your love for British fighters but the your Union Jack shades are getting in the way mate, Ortiz would destroy Murray. I will take that bet any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44bring it on loserQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasIF the fight happens, I'll bet you £20 he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAgree with all of this. Khan would muller him and Ortiz will stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
khan maybe, murray will beat ortiz
Saying that the fight aint happening, Murray has said he want's to concentrate on 135 division, I new he wouldn't fight Ortiz it would end badly. Ortiz is to strong for Murray, Murray struggles to get Gary Buckland out of there who is a career 130 lb fighter who has since say he is moving back down imagine Ortiz v Buckland it would be over in three rounds, Murray is solid fighter exiciting but he doesn't bang hard enough with that style at world class level he doesn't move his head and Lee Mcallister ( who is average fighter in truth ) showed that he cant deal with movement, I don't even think Ortiz needs to box Murray Ortiz will eventually be a 147 fighter he can stand and trade with Murray and get the better of him, either way Murray would be loose.
the macallister fight was one of murrays worst performances, the worst I have seen, and i dont think it was a movement problem i just think he had an off dayQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Eric I respect your love for British fighters but the your Union Jack shades are getting in the way mate, Ortiz would destroy Murray. I will take that bet any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44bring it on loserQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasIF the fight happens, I'll bet you £20 he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAgree with all of this. Khan would muller him and Ortiz will stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
khan maybe, murray will beat ortiz
Saying that the fight aint happening, Murray has said he want's to concentrate on 135 division, I new he wouldn't fight Ortiz it would end badly. Ortiz is to strong for Murray, Murray struggles to get Gary Buckland out of there who is a career 130 lb fighter who has since say he is moving back down imagine Ortiz v Buckland it would be over in three rounds, Murray is solid fighter exiciting but he doesn't bang hard enough with that style at world class level he doesn't move his head and Lee Mcallister ( who is average fighter in truth ) showed that he cant deal with movement, I don't even think Ortiz needs to box Murray Ortiz will eventually be a 147 fighter he can stand and trade with Murray and get the better of him, either way Murray would be loose.
its a pitty the ortiz isnt happening, murray would have won
but we should be able to see him in world class soon, murray is calling out katsidis, maybe we will see that fight and see if murray can take a punch
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Originally Posted by erics44the macallister fight was one of murrays worst performances, the worst I have seen, and i dont think it was a movement problem i just think he had an off dayQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Eric I respect your love for British fighters but the your Union Jack shades are getting in the way mate, Ortiz would destroy Murray. I will take that bet any day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44bring it on loserQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasIF the fight happens, I'll bet you £20 he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAgree with all of this. Khan would muller him and Ortiz will stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
khan maybe, murray will beat ortiz
Saying that the fight aint happening, Murray has said he want's to concentrate on 135 division, I new he wouldn't fight Ortiz it would end badly. Ortiz is to strong for Murray, Murray struggles to get Gary Buckland out of there who is a career 130 lb fighter who has since say he is moving back down imagine Ortiz v Buckland it would be over in three rounds, Murray is solid fighter exiciting but he doesn't bang hard enough with that style at world class level he doesn't move his head and Lee Mcallister ( who is average fighter in truth ) showed that he cant deal with movement, I don't even think Ortiz needs to box Murray Ortiz will eventually be a 147 fighter he can stand and trade with Murray and get the better of him, either way Murray would be loose.
its a pitty the ortiz isnt happening, murray would have won
but we should be able to see him in world class soon, murray is calling out katsidis, maybe we will see that fight and see if murray can take a punch
Sorry mate it was deffo a movement problem, Murray who I know very well has not fought anyone with boxing skills who uses movement, Mcallister was giving him fits and boxing his ears off by using the ring and angles, until Murray walked him down, but like I say that is Mcallister a limited domestic fighter, Katsidis wold be to much for him as well imo, get him in with Mitchell and that would be a good indicator of how good he is, his resume is weak and he needs to up his game.