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There you have it in a nutshell...if I was Paul Williams I'd be putting calls in to Freddy Roach and Manny Steward...though I think even the likes of Joe Goosen, Ronnie Shields, and maybe even Tommy Brooks could help him out a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
If Paul just used his natural abilities and was more technically sound then I don't really see many fighters that could beat him. He's got a crowd pleasing style, but that's what it gets you sometimes
Honestly, Paul Williams needs one thing: Emmanuel Stewart. He's a top athlete, he has all the tools but the best one out there for his attributes is Manny, Williams is exactly the kind of fighters he likes: tall, lanky with a long range. That's all he needs.
Granted, but Manny is working with Cotto and Andy Lee...it might be too much for him to add in Williams with that group, but he has the physical traits of a Manny Steward fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Course he's world class. Always has been. A KO loss happens to many fighters.
He'll get up, dust himself off, learn from his mistake, and kick ass again.
Pretty much what he does when he loses, he learns his mistake, and then doesn't make it in the rematch.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
beating Paul Williams could be the worst thing for his opponent to do if there is a rematch.
But I'm sure Martinez is smart enough to know that Williams isn't going to leave himself that open again. So he won't be searching for a knockout in that match.
Martinez can box and obviously PW can't, I doubt he'll have a hard time finding an opponent for his next fight. He needs to polish his game up.....a lot!
It's amazing how much he improved after the Margo lost...Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lkr...eature=related
Nothing against Williams but really the blue prints out....he is far too long in the tooth,fight wise and learned style wise to suddenly find some Hearns formula for his frame and reach. He is where he is going as a fighter I believe.I think Martinez gets him again if they went trilogy.
I'm not so certain....I mean he's had a lot of fights but he could adjust his style a touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Hope he does. Its always baffled me how willingly he gives up natural gifts,range....falls over himself. If he fights like he did vs Margarito it'll suit him well..one of his better displays w/ complete tall package.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'm not so certain....I mean he's had a lot of fights but he could adjust his style a touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
if the blueprint is "wait for Williams to leave himself open and throw a one punch KO" that's not a very good one.
That's like saying the blueprints out on how to beat Duran because of what Hearns did, or how to beat Khan because Prescott did it.
And one shot one punch KO doesn't mean the blueprint on how to beat Williams is there. It was a perfectly timed great shot from a great fighter. The blueprint on how to beat Williams really won't be there until he consistently loses against it.
"Nothing against Williams but really the blue prints out....he is far too long in the tooth,fight wise and learned style wise to suddenly find some Hearns formula for his frame and reach. He is where he is going as a fighter I believe.I think Martinez gets him again if they went trilogy."
Dude's got two loses and we want to write him off... back in the day dudes would have 2 loses in a month and then go on to be champ next year. It was a one shot ko from a punch he never saw coming so it doesn't even mean his chin is necessarily dented he just needs to stop leaving it that exposed which really shouldn't be that hard of a task. As for completely changing his style that probably won't happen but just keep a closer guard. He didn't take a beating in this fight so just take an easy fight out next time and then get right back in the mix of things.
The blueprint is that Williams has nil for defense as he was caught with 4 flush fight enders prior to bomb. He counts on volume and pressure as total package & when your face starts running into frequent fists you encounter problems. Being timed and countered with left hooks resulting in nose dives to the canvas as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
if the blueprint is "wait for Williams to leave himself open and throw a one punch KO" that's not a very good one.
That's like saying the blueprints out on how to beat Duran because of what Hearns did, or how to beat Khan because Prescott did it.
And one shot one punch KO doesn't mean the blueprint on how to beat Williams is there. It was a perfectly timed great shot from a great fighter. The blueprint on how to beat Williams really won't be there until he consistently loses against it.
Duran who had gone prior 15 with Hagler will never be confused with Williams. And he had more to fall back on as far as skill. Khan...um ok :-X
He's not changing his style and suddenly fighting his frame right now this late. He's too entrenched in what has gotten him to this level and high visability matches. Time for insurance policy and right style training has passed I believe.
Yes but you'd have to be expecting him to leave himself as badly wide open as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliThe blueprint is that Williams has nil for defense as he was caught with 4 flush fight enders prior to bomb. He counts on volume and pressure as total package & when your face starts running into frequent fists you encounter problems. Being timed and countered with left hooks resulting in nose dives to the canvas as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
if the blueprint is "wait for Williams to leave himself open and throw a one punch KO" that's not a very good one.
That's like saying the blueprints out on how to beat Duran because of what Hearns did, or how to beat Khan because Prescott did it.
And one shot one punch KO doesn't mean the blueprint on how to beat Williams is there. It was a perfectly timed great shot from a great fighter. The blueprint on how to beat Williams really won't be there until he consistently loses against it.
Duran who had gone prior 15 with Hagler will never be confused with Williams. And he had more to fall back on as far as skill. Khan...um ok :-X
If the blueprint is just waiting on that shot to come a lot of people are going to be unsuccessful with that. If you want a fight for a blueprint look at the first Quintana fight.
But it's not like it really worked the second time around.
There is no real "formula" for beating Williams, it's all about taking what he gives you. And what he gave Martinez was all Martinez needed to knock him out. But it was far from the blueprint to beating Williams.