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You know what else is embarrassing? The A-Side meth accusations that Pac is on a drug that makes one invincible to not only punches in the boxing ring but bullets on the battle field of war. This whole stuff about PEDs started right there with the A-Side meth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1BOXZ1Wnk
They sure are embarrassing; and I told one of my friends recently that they only hurt they're accusations by making up that A-meth drug.
They're credibility sure did drop didn't it??
Now generalbulldog, do you think I am going to completely ignore you're post and the fact that the Mayeather's said that? Of course not. It happened, they said it. And there is even a video of him saying it right?
Don't bring up the fact that Pacquiao hates needles to Pacquiao fans though. Oh no, don't do that. You will be shunned.LOL.
Of course Manny's side messed up with the whole needles things and the way they handle it. I for sure don't ignored that nor do I revise history like some do with any subject.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
pointless thread, trying to justify Pacquiao fighting Mosley, styles make fights, and IMO Marquez beat Pacquiao twice although he would lose to Mosley he'd probably still give him hell at 140
What are we going to do when we dont have Manny and Floyd to obsess on ???
Marquez has a much more left in big picture and is a superior tactical boxer. Always has been. But Mosley is just huge compared,will be over 147 no doubt and can still bang with a solid beard...and Marquez does not speak "run". Mosley drops him and very possibly takes late tko.
Well I think 2 reasons why this thread was created is because a few Pac members are trying to justify Pac's fight with Mosley at this stage and I also think it has to do with another thread around here where people were saying that JMM could also beat guys like Hatton, Margarito, Clottey, and Cotto because Pac did it, therefore JMM would do it also because he beat Pac twice in some people's eyes. You know the infamous triangle theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I agree, I personally didn't prefer the Mosley fight. I did prefer the JMM fight but honestly I think that was harder to make then MOsley. Mosley is already a welterweight and is willing to negotiate with Top Rank. JMM had price himself out a few times before, it seem like he really wants to fight, right? Another issue with JMM is the weightclass. I still hope to see a third fight with JMM but I aint got no problem seeing Mosley get a shot. I think JMMs next fight should be at 140, just to see how he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogWell I think 2 reasons why this thread was created is because a few Pac members are trying to justify Pac's fight with Mosley at this stage and I also think it has to do with another thread around here where people were saying that JMM could also beat guys like Hatton, Margarito, Clottey, and Cotto because Pac did it, therefore JMM would do it also because he beat Pac twice in some people's eyes. You know the infamous triangle theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Mosley beats Marquez, but Marquez gives Pacquiao a tougher fight than Mosley :p.
I think so too, boxing is really strange that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Styles make fights and all that jazz.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI think so too, boxing is really strange that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
i respectfully believe marquez should retire.
he's an amazing fighter and should get out before he gives too much.
I just don't get this at all. How people can think Mosley is not finished enought to beat J M Marquez, but is too shot to beat Manny is such a weird contradiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI think so too, boxing is really strange that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I think BOTH fighters are a legitimate test for Manny.
Manny is far more to Mosley's liking than Floyd and Mora. I think Mosley would always have had trouble with Sergio Mora, and I don't think any version of Mosley beat Floyd either.
Pacquaio Mosley will be a very entertaining fight.
Marquez may yet get another shot if he keeps winning. But to me Marquez is scraping past guys like Diaz, Katsidis and Casamayor in wars, guys that Mosley would just destroy.
I think Marquez looks a much easier propositon for Pacquaio now at 147 than Mosley does.
And Manny sure as hell isn't going to move down another weight class to help Marquez out, and why should he? Mosley at 147 is a better fight than Marquez at 147 imo.
Yes, it does sound weird and I said as much above, but based on the styles it is just the assumption that I come to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI just don't get this at all. How people can think Mosley is not finished enought to beat J M Marquez, but is too shot to beat Manny is such a weird contradiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI think so too, boxing is really strange that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I think BOTH fighters are a legitimate test for Manny.
Manny is far more to Mosley's liking than Floyd and Mora. I think Mosley would always have had trouble with Sergio Mora, and I don't think any version of Mosley beat Floyd either.
Pacquaio Mosley will be a very entertaining fight.
Marquez may yet get another shot if he keeps winning. But to me Marquez is scraping past guys like Diaz, Katsidis and Casamayor in wars, guys that Mosley would just destroy.
I think Marquez looks a much easier propositon for Pacquaio now at 147 than Mosley does.
And Manny sure as hell isn't going to move down another weight class to help Marquez out, and why should he? Mosley at 147 is a better fight than Marquez at 147 imo.
Marquez knows how to win rounds against Manny. His counter punching style is the perfect counter to the type of style that Manny has. But having said that I don't think he has any business fighting at 147 at the age of 37. It's just too much for him. 140 is as far as he gets IMO.
Mosley hasn't really shown us all that much a long time now. Margarito was able to stay in the fight against Manny because he was so well conditioned and ready to withstand 12 rounds of hard boxing and throw 70 punches a round. Mosley is a better fighter than Margarito, but that was 3 years ago and unfortunately Mosley cannot condition himself to fight at the kind of pace Manny will set. At least Marquez knew how to neutralise the output somewhat, but Mosley hasn't been showing a ring IQ for a long time now. He gets frustrated, loads up and starts to wing his punches. Marquez would never do that.
Like CFH said, styles make fights. I just like the style of Marquez over that of Mosley when it comes to dealing with what Pac has to offer.
Do people disagree with this? Mosley is 'comfortable' at welterweight (I dont think he struggles to get there, but he does dry himself up alot). Marquez isn't. JMM is a boxer getting old and obviously can't/doesn't want to cut weight anymore, so he's fighting in higher divisions while chasing Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI just don't get this at all. How people can think Mosley is not finished enought to beat J M Marquez, but is too shot to beat Manny is such a weird contradiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI think so too, boxing is really strange that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I think BOTH fighters are a legitimate test for Manny.
Manny is far more to Mosley's liking than Floyd and Mora. I think Mosley would always have had trouble with Sergio Mora, and I don't think any version of Mosley beat Floyd either.
Pacquaio Mosley will be a very entertaining fight.
Marquez may yet get another shot if he keeps winning. But to me Marquez is scraping past guys like Diaz, Katsidis and Casamayor in wars, guys that Mosley would just destroy.
I think Marquez looks a much easier propositon for Pacquaio now at 147 than Mosley does.
And Manny sure as hell isn't going to move down another weight class to help Marquez out, and why should he? Mosley at 147 is a better fight than Marquez at 147 imo.
See I think the problem is people compare "Well Mosley is a better fight at 147 for Pacquiao than Marquez"Quote:
Originally Posted by LukeHDo people disagree with this? Mosley is 'comfortable' at welterweight (I dont think he struggles to get there, but he does dry himself up alot). Marquez isn't. JMM is a boxer getting old and obviously can't/doesn't want to cut weight anymore, so he's fighting in higher divisions while chasing Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI just don't get this at all. How people can think Mosley is not finished enought to beat J M Marquez, but is too shot to beat Manny is such a weird contradiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesI think so too, boxing is really strange that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I think BOTH fighters are a legitimate test for Manny.
Manny is far more to Mosley's liking than Floyd and Mora. I think Mosley would always have had trouble with Sergio Mora, and I don't think any version of Mosley beat Floyd either.
Pacquaio Mosley will be a very entertaining fight.
Marquez may yet get another shot if he keeps winning. But to me Marquez is scraping past guys like Diaz, Katsidis and Casamayor in wars, guys that Mosley would just destroy.
I think Marquez looks a much easier propositon for Pacquaio now at 147 than Mosley does.
And Manny sure as hell isn't going to move down another weight class to help Marquez out, and why should he? Mosley at 147 is a better fight than Marquez at 147 imo.
But the real thing is, Pacquiao would ONLY fight Marquez if it was at 147, even though he can easily make 140 and probably make 138 too since he barely makes 147 and usually many pounds under it on fight day. So basically Pacquiao isn't going to fight Marquez unless he has an advantage of some type.
If the question was "Marquez at 138" or "Mosley at 147" who gives Pacquiao a tougher fight, then Marquez would be the obvious answer and fight choice. But Manny doesn't want any part of Marquez south of 147. thus why people are comparing Marquez at 147 and say if Pacquiao MUST fight at 147, then Mosley will give him a better challenge then Marquez would by moving up and putting himself at such a disadvantage for the fight.
I think that's the initial point people want to get to, but initially lose it so they say "Mosley would beat Marquez at 147 so he is better for Manny at 147" ignoring the whole styles make fights thing, when what all this really comes down to, is the weight. Manny doesn't want Marquez at any class south of 147. So if it comes down to that, then yes Mosley is the better fight because Mosley won't be entering the fight at a disadvantage or outside of his weight class.
But in terms of WHO would give Pacquiao a tougher fight, Marquez would always give him a tougher fight than Mosley would, but Pacquiao has to get the gull to want to fight him at 138 for that to happen, and he doesn't. So Mosley is what people shall get.