Re: Why the fuck do all fighters who fight either Klit have to fight the other one?
As much as I dislike them, the keyword in amongst all of this is "if". Let's be honest, there aren't many people, if any people about that can beat one of them let alone both.
Plus if one of them did get beat, the public would be pushing for the winning fighter to fight the other brother anyway, so I don't think it's that much of a bad thing. Beat them both, you go into the HOF, it's a good opportunity, if only someone was able to take it.
Re: Why the fuck do all fighters who fight either Klit have to fight the other one?
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Cris Arreola has nothing for Wlad. Sure Arreola can take a punch but at the same time you have to realize that now'a'days Vitali fights at a slower pace than Wlad and Wlad has a better arsenal of punches. Plus Arreola was resigned to just last the distance after the first half of the fight.
You guys will see a whole new monster when he fights Chisora...it won't last long. Manny's going to have Wlad gunning for earlier more spectacular KO's and Wlad is very capable of delivering them given the state of the rest of the division.
But Chisora has like a dozen fights to his name against little more against domestic opposition. For Wlad's sake you would hope it won't last long. It's a really rubbish matchup. Arreola would obviously be much more geared to fight Wlad rather than Vitali because Wlad really is still very cautious. He does nothing but hug when in close and still paws with his jab. Arreola would at least try to bully him. Vitali has always been a better fighter than Wlad in my estimation too, he has all the balls in the family.
Either way there is no way you can excuse a bunch of brothers trying to put options on other fighters. This shouldn't be the mafia where it is all kept all in the family.
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As much as I dislike them, the keyword in amongst all of this is "if". Let's be honest, there aren't many people, if any people about that can beat one of them let alone both.
Plus if one of them did get beat, the public would be pushing for the winning fighter to fight the other brother anyway, so I don't think it's that much of a bad thing. Beat them both, you go into the HOF, it's a good opportunity, if only someone was able to take it.
Yes but you are signing for a second fight as a champion but still getting paid peanuts as you signed your rights away when you were the challanger, you would be in a much better posistion to fight the second brother if you had just beat the first and would get a much better deal than one where you basically signing to fight the brother under more or less the same terms even though you are now a world champ and beat either the number 1 or 2 in the world. Its utter bollocks if you ask me.
Re: Why the fuck do all fighters who fight either Klit have to fight the other one?
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As much as I dislike them, the keyword in amongst all of this is "if". Let's be honest, there aren't many people, if any people about that can beat one of them let alone both.
Plus if one of them did get beat, the public would be pushing for the winning fighter to fight the other brother anyway, so I don't think it's that much of a bad thing. Beat them both, you go into the HOF, it's a good opportunity, if only someone was able to take it.
Yes but you are signing for a second fight as a champion but still getting paid peanuts as you signed your rights away when you were the challanger, you would be in a much better posistion to fight the second brother if you had just beat the first and would get a much better deal than one where you basically signing to fight the brother under more or less the same terms even though you are now a world champ and beat either the number 1 or 2 in the world. Its utter bollocks if you ask me.
totally agree its just not right! a rematch is fair but fighting a completely different fighter is not!
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The Chisora fight is, was, and always has been a TUNE UP. Arreola is finished, he's fat, he's slow, and he's no longer a hot commodity. Chisora is fresh and new albeit still green to this level of fighting but no one knows how he'll handle the bright spotlight, he could take to it like a duck to water....I doubt it but the "fight or flight" response in the brain is a hell of a thing.
Duck to water lol If Haye was fighting Chisora after being offered the Wlad fight but he said no I need a tune up against Chisora we would never here the fucking end of it from you, you have shocking double standards when it comes to Wlad.
Re: Why the fuck do all fighters who fight either Klit have to fight the other one?
Lyle, why was the Chisora "tune-up" so important to Wlad if Haye was an easy certain victory?
Re: Why the fuck do all fighters who fight either Klit have to fight the other one?
They've been doing this for ages, you have to jump through their hoops. It will be a great day for boxing (and humanity) when they retire.
Re: Why the fuck do all fighters who fight either Klit have to fight the other one?
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skel1983
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0james0
As much as I dislike them, the keyword in amongst all of this is "if". Let's be honest, there aren't many people, if any people about that can beat one of them let alone both.
Plus if one of them did get beat, the public would be pushing for the winning fighter to fight the other brother anyway, so I don't think it's that much of a bad thing. Beat them both, you go into the HOF, it's a good opportunity, if only someone was able to take it.
Yes but you are signing for a second fight as a champion but still getting paid peanuts as you signed your rights away when you were the challanger, you would be in a much better posistion to fight the second brother if you had just beat the first and would get a much better deal than one where you basically signing to fight the brother under more or less the same terms even though you are now a world champ and beat either the number 1 or 2 in the world. Its utter bollocks if you ask me.
I don't know what goes on in these contracts, but I would imagine as part of the deal the second fight would be on a considerably better split than the first. If a fighter doesn't even try and negotiate the second fight they probably don't actually believe they will even get there!
Contracts are all full of so much bullshit and ego boosting across the board now.
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it comes from the fact the divison is seen as very weak and the bros are at the top, theres never been two brothers at the top of the heavyweight divison and they aren't goner fight eachother so they use there power to put in the contract that clause....untill someone comes in a knocks them off they'll have there way lol. funny how other fighters will bow down and taht the fights but our so called saviour david haye somehow can't sign and carry out a contract with them
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I like the klits but yes this stipulation is just plain stupid, how did brewster not have to do it back in 04 when he beat wlad? I thought it was because vitali was in his retirement at the time but not the case.
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0james0
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skel1983
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0james0
As much as I dislike them, the keyword in amongst all of this is "if". Let's be honest, there aren't many people, if any people about that can beat one of them let alone both.
Plus if one of them did get beat, the public would be pushing for the winning fighter to fight the other brother anyway, so I don't think it's that much of a bad thing. Beat them both, you go into the HOF, it's a good opportunity, if only someone was able to take it.
Yes but you are signing for a second fight as a champion but still getting paid peanuts as you signed your rights away when you were the challanger, you would be in a much better posistion to fight the second brother if you had just beat the first and would get a much better deal than one where you basically signing to fight the brother under more or less the same terms even though you are now a world champ and beat either the number 1 or 2 in the world. Its utter bollocks if you ask me.
I don't know what goes on in these contracts, but I would imagine as part of the deal the second fight would be on a considerably better split than the first. If a fighter doesn't even try and negotiate the second fight they probably don't actually believe they will even get there!
Contracts are all full of so much bullshit and ego boosting across the board now.
Go ask Booth and Haye the deal they first signed in 09 the deals are shocking even if you beat the first brother, it doesn't matter if they believe or not it's a fucking joke.
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Well Ouma i don't care for them Klits that much but how while shit be any better when there gone. Also to Skel there on top of the division so they get what they want until someone can beat them.
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skel1983
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El Kabong
The Chisora fight is, was, and always has been a TUNE UP. Arreola is finished, he's fat, he's slow, and he's no longer a hot commodity. Chisora is fresh and new albeit still green to this level of fighting but no one knows how he'll handle the bright spotlight, he could take to it like a duck to water....I doubt it but the "fight or flight" response in the brain is a hell of a thing.
Duck to water lol If Haye was fighting Chisora after being offered the Wlad fight but he said no I need a tune up against Chisora we would never here the fucking end of it from you, you have shocking double standards when it comes to Wlad.
Hell of alot of truth in that Lyle.
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Has to be an ego thing or something because if you ever gave notice at the fights Wlad was stopped and Vitali was present he went out of control....I remember him having to be held back when Wlad fell to Sanders....Maybe they just want to be able to say you beat one of us but you did not beat the Klitschko name?.......Who knows...
As for those who think it is a bullshit stipulation well I agree to that on a somewhat limited basis ....Should it always be? No but hey only one way to change it right? Beat the brothers....IMO though I am a fan of them Vitili will fall first if we ever get a decent HW willing to trade and make him fight their fight....Wlad is just too sound scientifically....He keeps to his gameplan....I think Wlad is the harder hitter as well....Vitali has the higher KO% but he is more on volume while Wlad is just a fucking jackhammer.....
In truth I don't understand the hate for him
