Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
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Taeth
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Andre
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Taeth
The best place to switch is where you don't get hit in the process of switching. There is no best specific strategy just like in a fight in general anything can be countered, thus switching up what you do and adapting properly to the situation is the key to success
There are strategies. They are not practiced by boxers at the moment.
The strategies are moving from the inside of someones guard to the outside of someones guard maintaining control over their lead arm while you switch stance around them.
this allows you to end up on the outside (bodily) on their lead arm and so you have two arms against their none for that moment and it is them who has to readjust to where you are,so that is also a benefit to you.
Also you are switching feet which takes you away from their rear arm while taking you to the outside of their lead arm.
Of course this can only be done in certain circumstances) as other strategies are done in other circumstances.
But controlling front arm can easily be countered if somebody has done other martial arts and applies them to boxing.
If you rely on one thing you will figured out and beaten.
Change that to any number of things tried continually (as in any technique in boxing or any other system.)
If you rely on one thing you don't belong there,that would be extremely obvious to even someone who doesn't have an interest in fights.
But then again I could say the queen of England has more than 6 pairs of shoes...
If you do any move twice (other than when the opposition are over committed) the other guy will react differently or try to counter it, it doesnt matter what it is that you are doing.
Im taking about flowing around that arm while maintaining control as you switch feet. Not a grapple. And you move away from the rear arm threat while you do it. Its in one situation.
Its just one thing out of many that can arise prior to or within the subject of this conversation. No need to have to be correct over it, by trying to prove my thoughts wrong. There isnt a right or wrong; it just is, it exists and it works in that situation.
Also this is simply a conversation under a subject heading not some competition.
Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
Naz used to do it too .
Who was that clown of the ring a few years back who used to fuk around a bit he used to do it too, I've had a mental blank on his name.
Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
Andre, what do you mean when you say 'dominant eye'. How'ds that work? I'm intrigued :)
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Just found this: http://www.archeryweb.com/archery/eyedom.htm
So if your dominant eye is your left eye (friend of a friend).... How would that be utilised in boxing?
Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Andre, what do you mean when you say 'dominant eye'. How'ds that work? I'm intrigued :)
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Just found this:
Determining your Dominant Eye
So if your dominant eye is your left eye (friend of a friend).... How would that be utilised in boxing?
Haha just stick your finger out and kind of look past it out of focus until you have a good double. When you close one eye your finger will look to shift sideways. Close the other one and it just get's rid of the double image. The latter is your dominant eye.
Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
Audley had to do it for his fight with Sprott.
Tyson did it when he was going to knock someone out.
I am sure Herol Graham was mainly a southpaw.
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I was using Scraps knowledge there, he explains it better.Look in Trainer section do a search.
Your dominant eye dictates which way around you fight in, south or natural.
Latley he has been utilizing other exercises which help reshape his fighters innner being.
I was thinking aloud really that another combination of practice with mind work and eye work could eventually have people more comfortable and ambidextrous maybe.
We coming leaps and bounds in all things us humans you never know whats around the corner in any day,its happening faster now.
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At least for myself, and I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but it's only a shift in perception that changes when I switch. I think people focus too much on dominant this or that. If you are trying to establish a certain sense of self on your opponent that can be done regardless of which side is forward. Boxing due to tradition limits it's in stances largely to either southpaw or orthodox to their own short coming. Heaven knows why boxers don't use the vastly more versatile and fluid footwork in Chinese martial arts. You also generate more power and you don't have to hop.
Wow that is some brave words on a boxing forum, or were you being sarcastic?
Either way :).
I think the boxer can get away with not sitting on a punch more when fighting on the outside so he can get away with dancing on his toes more, plus he isnt going to get his feet swept out either by hopping as you say.
There are probably justifiable benifits in both ways depending on whats going on: either the inner brawl telephone box style of boxing probably could use some of the Chinese footwork and still get to deliver power twisting in boxing style.
Then theres dancing and remaining on the toes when the fight is fresh or at the bantamand feather end of the weights and at that outer distance of contact you need it too.
As you say, be nice to see someone really know exactly when to apply the two and shape it into a style.
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... So glad I started this thread :) I'm now looking into chineese martial arts.
Hopefully by Saturday I'll be a member of a Kung-Fu forum :D
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amat
Giovanni segura and Pirog both do it alot in efforts to cut the ring off and both do it really well.
Just watched the Pirog/ Jacobs fight. I wonder if he was taught to do that...? It definitely works and he always does it at the right time.
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... So glad I started this thread :) I'm now looking into chineese martial arts.
Hopefully by Saturday I'll be a member of a Kung-Fu forum :D
Thats deep water mate.
Too many of them secretly and sometimes not so secretly hate each others styles and claim dominance over each other, its hard to find men in martial arts these days who have the old way of respect for all things and all things have their place.
Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
as already said herol graham did it but it was usually just a quick switch to gain a quick opening then he would switch back.eubank used to do a little walcott walk change of direction which caused him to switch very briefly.there was a american middleweight in the 80's called don lee who was a switcher hitter, he got a win over tony sibson and was a fringe contender for a while and of course hagler could fight as a lefty or righty
Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
Livingston Bramble did it I believe.
Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
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Andre
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Jimanuel Boogustus
... So glad I started this thread :) I'm now looking into chineese martial arts.
Hopefully by Saturday I'll be a member of a Kung-Fu forum :D
Thats deep water mate.
Too many of them secretly and sometimes not so secretly hate each others styles and claim dominance over each other, its hard to find men in martial arts these days who have the old way of respect for all things and all things have their place.
;D Fuck it, I can't spread my attention that thinly anyway....
I did find some interesting stuff on 'Uprooting Footwork', basically destroying your opponents balance... Would be very interested in finding out how balance can be messed with in Boxing.
But I think I'll leave Kung-Fu thing in China for now.
Livingston Bramble it is :)
Re: Boxers who 'switched' their feet with regularity?
Master cc indeed ! Bramble was a very underrated inside fighter, squared in spots but cagey as all hell.
Might be an off example as it was more hyper activity then punch placement but what about Vinny Pazienza. Always shifting, circling and pretty sporadic. Led with his body alot and loaded up in later years but feet were on the move constant.
Shit. Johnny Tapia!! Game, set, match. Azumah Nelson.
Naz sold out for his delivery really...had two left feet when it came time to receive.
