Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
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holmcall
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The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, understood, but the same holds true for both fighters. It's a level playing field in more ways than one, but your point is a good one.
EXACTLY.
So, did I just read a possible excuse that Pacman might just NOT want to get the blood removed because he "FEELS" like it might weaken him? If it's physiological, then fine, be it, I can come to turns that he's scared, I mean, he has an issue mentally.
Man, If I was given the oppurtunity to prove my "pound for pound" greatness for $40 Mil, AND wear bigger gloves(my face will be fine)....WHAT...take all the blood you need. I have a point to prove.
If I remember correctly, during negotiations, Floyd agree'd to ring size, gloves and ridiculous weight stipulations, but, manny wouldnt agree to the blood tests.
Come on........
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
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Originally Posted by
holmcall
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, understood, but the same holds true for both fighters. It's a level playing field in more ways than one, but your point is a good one.
EXACTLY.
So, did I just read a possible excuse that Pacman might just NOT want to get the blood removed because he "FEELS" like it might weaken him? If it's physiological, then fine, be it, I can come to turns that he's scared, I mean, he has an issue mentally.
Man, If I was given the oppurtunity to prove my "pound for pound" greatness for $40 Mil, AND wear bigger gloves(my face will be fine)....WHAT...take all the blood you need. I have a point to prove.
If I remember correctly, during negotiations, Floyd agree'd to ring size, gloves and ridiculous weight stipulations, but, manny wouldnt agree to the blood tests.
Come on........
Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.
Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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:::PSL:::
Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.
Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.
Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?
Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.
In NO order
Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz
None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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carpetrepairhouston
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:::PSL:::
Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.
Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.
Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?
Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.
In NO order
Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz
None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.
Did I say Pac made $40M just by fighting Marg? No.
I'm talking about the overall money that he made in his boxing career since the first Pac-May negotiation failed - his fight against Clottey, Margo, PPV bonus, tons endorsements, and his upcoming fight with Mosely.
Except Diaz. Ofcourse they posed threat against Pac. Most boxing writers saw it that way in pre-fight hype. "He's too big and too strong for Pac blah, blah, blah". They just become old and washed up fighters all of the sudden after Pac gets done with them.
As for him fighting Mosely. I do believe that Mosely is way past his prime.
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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Originally Posted by
carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.
Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.
Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?
Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.
In NO order
Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz
None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.
Can you back-up that statement? Find any write-up before the dela Hoya-Pacquiao fight that stated that Oscar did not pose a threat to Manny.
Hindsight is 20/20 and everyone becomes an expert in dissecting a fight after the fact.
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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holmcall
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rjj tszyu
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ukboxingwatcher
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holmcall
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carpetrepairhouston
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holmcall
In this connection, I don’t buy is Manny’s claim that rrandom blood testing is impractical and dangerous, particularly if it is conducted within days of the actual fight. Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash.
Agreed,
However, if both fighters are doing the same testing, then wouldnt both of them be equally endangered because of the loss of blood?
Yep!
I disagree, as it's been said Pac many times has a problem and really dislikes needles. Mayweather doesn't at all, and while it isn't a hugely big deal everyone is different and bodies/minds react differently.
And now with all the hype and press around it, there would be the whole mental disadvantage.
It's silly, they should just get on with it.
Dislikes needles?? The man has multiple tattoo's he can't dislike needles that much!!
Great point. Also, is that Art Serwanno whose eyes rolled back into his head? Good God, that's scary. :o :o :confused:
Yes thats right. It has to be one of he most brutal one punch KO's I've ever seen!
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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Originally Posted by
carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.
Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.
Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?
Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.
In NO order
Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz
None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.
You shouldn't dismiss Pacquiao's $40M earning as non-sense. While his purse for Margarito was somewhere in the $25 Million neighborhood, he will have surpassed that with his purse earnings from the Clottey fight for 2010. Pacquiao's name brand would most likely eclipse that number on an annually basis in about 7-10 years and continue to climb as his legend grows. If your going to refer to anything as non-sense it should be P4P rankings of the active fighters.
Margarito was in the fight until the ten round and could have ended the fight in any round up to that point with a single blow. He was not even close to being drained and possibly in his best shape ever and he had to be to take that kind of punishment. It was really a good fight to watch. Dela Hoya was just too smart for his own good. It was only Roach that said it was going to be a beat down, which is the reason he's dominated the trainer of the year award. Imagine the great Angelo Dundee was on the wrong side of Roach's prediction and he wasn't the only great there. The betting odds on that fight were like 5:1 and boxing analysis had the fight at 6, 7 and 8:1. After Dela Hoya, the opponents Pacquiao has been facing have all been bigger and bigger fighters in that order which is why his greatness is considered proven.
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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:::PSL:::
Didn't NSAC called USADA style of testing inadequate? Lol Didn't they have court hearing about this?
It's not the amount of blood that NSAC worried about. It's the actual vein poking.. minutes, or hours before the fight that they're concern about.
Give it up. Mayweather will find excuse after another just to avoid Pac.
Mayweather will have EXACTLY the same thing done to him though so there is no advantage. It's all fair.
Clean athletes don't run from drug tests.
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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Originally Posted by
carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.
Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.
Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?
Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.
In NO order
Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz
None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.
Agreed 100%. There has been somthing wrong with all of his last opponants.
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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Hornfinger
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:::PSL:::
Didn't NSAC called USADA style of testing inadequate? Lol Didn't they have court hearing about this?
It's not the amount of blood that NSAC worried about. It's the actual vein poking.. minutes, or hours before the fight that they're concern about.
Give it up. Mayweather will find excuse after another just to avoid Pac.
Mayweather will have EXACTLY the same thing done to him though so there is no advantage. It's all fair.
Clean athletes don't run from drug tests.
You still don't get what NSAC is trying to say do you?
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
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holmcall
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, understood, but the same holds true for both fighters. It's a level playing field in more ways than one, but your point is a good one.
EXACTLY.
So, did I just read a possible excuse that Pacman might just NOT want to get the blood removed because he "FEELS" like it might weaken him? If it's physiological, then fine, be it, I can come to turns that he's scared, I mean, he has an issue mentally.
Man, If I was given the oppurtunity to prove my "pound for pound" greatness for $40 Mil, AND wear bigger gloves(my face will be fine)....WHAT...take all the blood you need. I have a point to prove.
If I remember correctly, during negotiations, Floyd agree'd to ring size, gloves and ridiculous weight stipulations, but, manny wouldnt agree to the blood tests.
Come on........
Against Margo, there was enough blood to scare away Dracula. WTF :rolleyes:
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
holmcall
:o
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
ukboxingwatcher
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Originally Posted by
holmcall
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Originally Posted by
carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
holmcall
In this connection, I don’t buy is Manny’s claim that rrandom blood testing is impractical and dangerous, particularly if it is conducted within days of the actual fight. Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash.
Agreed,
However, if both fighters are doing the same testing, then wouldnt both of them be equally endangered because of the loss of blood?
Yep!
I disagree, as it's been said Pac many times has a problem and really dislikes needles. Mayweather doesn't at all, and while it isn't a hugely big deal everyone is different and bodies/minds react differently.
And now with all the hype and press around it, there would be the whole mental disadvantage.
It's silly, they should just get on with it.
Dislikes needles?? The man has multiple tattoo's he can't dislike needles that much!!
Great point. Also, is that Art Serwanno whose eyes rolled back into his head? Good God, that's scary. :o :o :confused:
Yes thats right. It has to be one of he most brutal one punch KO's I've ever seen!
Thanks
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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Originally Posted by
carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
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Originally Posted by
holmcall
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, understood, but the same holds true for both fighters. It's a level playing field in more ways than one, but your point is a good one.
EXACTLY.
So, did I just read a possible excuse that Pacman might just NOT want to get the blood removed because he "FEELS" like it might weaken him? If it's physiological, then fine, be it, I can come to turns that he's scared, I mean, he has an issue mentally.
Man, If I was given the oppurtunity to prove my "pound for pound" greatness for $40 Mil, AND wear bigger gloves(my face will be fine)....WHAT...take all the blood you need. I have a point to prove.
If I remember correctly, during negotiations, Floyd agree'd to ring size, gloves and ridiculous weight stipulations, but, manny wouldnt agree to the blood tests.
Come on........
For 25 million, Draculita can suck me dry. ;D
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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Hornfinger
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carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
:::PSL:::
Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.
Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.
Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?
Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.
In NO order
Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz
None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.
Agreed 100%. There has been somthing wrong with all of his last opponants.
Something wrong with all his last opponents ----> Pacquiao's wins are not that great ----> Pacquiao is not that great
Then why the hell is Pacquiao required to be subjected to a drug test that is beyond what is already required for all boxers?
Re: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution
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holmcall
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Originally Posted by
carpetrepairhouston
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
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Originally Posted by
holmcall
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Originally Posted by
The Fightfan
I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, understood, but the same holds true for both fighters. It's a level playing field in more ways than one, but your point is a good one.
EXACTLY.
So, did I just read a possible excuse that Pacman might just NOT want to get the blood removed because he "FEELS" like it might weaken him? If it's physiological, then fine, be it, I can come to turns that he's scared, I mean, he has an issue mentally.
Man, If I was given the oppurtunity to prove my "pound for pound" greatness for $40 Mil, AND wear bigger gloves(my face will be fine)....WHAT...take all the blood you need. I have a point to prove.
If I remember correctly, during negotiations, Floyd agree'd to ring size, gloves and ridiculous weight stipulations, but, manny wouldnt agree to the blood tests.
Come on........
For 25 million, Draculita can suck me dry. ;D
I think every ordinary person would want that.
But the thing is,... neither Pac or Floyd are average joe.
Tsk! Catch my drift? ;)
