Pacquiao vs. Mayweather:Proposed Solution

[:::PSL:::]

I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.

I do disagree with one thing. The "Losing blood so close to fight time can weaken a fighter. That’s pure hogwash" .Statement. I have had first hand and I know people in my family who have been given blood tests and for a few days after you feel weaker than you normally would. I am not saying sick as a dog and not able to move but you just do not feel 100%. There I can give Pacquiao the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, understood, but the same holds true for both fighters. It's a level playing field in more ways than one, but your point is a good one.

EXACTLY.

So, did I just read a possible excuse that Pacman might just NOT want to get the blood removed because he "FEELS" like it might weaken him? If it's physiological, then fine, be it, I can come to turns that he's scared, I mean, he has an issue mentally.

Man, If I was given the oppurtunity to prove my "pound for pound" greatness for $40 Mil, AND wear bigger gloves(my face will be fine)....WHAT...take all the blood you need. I have a point to prove.

If I remember correctly, during negotiations, Floyd agree'd to ring size, gloves and ridiculous weight stipulations, but, manny wouldnt agree to the blood tests.

Come on........

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

[carpetrepairhouston]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

[:::PSL:::]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

Did I say Pac made $40M just by fighting Marg? No.

I'm talking about the overall money that he made in his boxing career since the first Pac-May negotiation failed - his fight against Clottey, Margo, PPV bonus, tons endorsements, and his upcoming fight with Mosely.

Except Diaz. Ofcourse they posed threat against Pac. Most boxing writers saw it that way in pre-fight hype. "He's too big and too strong for Pac blah, blah, blah". They just become old and washed up fighters all of the sudden after Pac gets done with them.

As for him fighting Mosely. I do believe that Mosely is way past his prime.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

Can you back-up that statement? Find any write-up before the dela Hoya-Pacquiao fight that stated that Oscar did not pose a threat to Manny.

Hindsight is 20/20 and everyone becomes an expert in dissecting a fight after the fact.

[fan johnny]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

You shouldn't dismiss Pacquiao's $40M earning as non-sense. While his purse for Margarito was somewhere in the $25 Million neighborhood, he will have surpassed that with his purse earnings from the Clottey fight for 2010. Pacquiao's name brand would most likely eclipse that number on an annually basis in about 7-10 years and continue to climb as his legend grows. If your going to refer to anything as non-sense it should be P4P rankings of the active fighters.

Margarito was in the fight until the ten round and could have ended the fight in any round up to that point with a single blow. He was not even close to being drained and possibly in his best shape ever and he had to be to take that kind of punishment. It was really a good fight to watch. Dela Hoya was just too smart for his own good. It was only Roach that said it was going to be a beat down, which is the reason he's dominated the trainer of the year award. Imagine the great Angelo Dundee was on the wrong side of Roach's prediction and he wasn't the only great there. The betting odds on that fight were like 5:1 and boxing analysis had the fight at 6, 7 and 8:1. After Dela Hoya, the opponents Pacquiao has been facing have all been bigger and bigger fighters in that order which is why his greatness is considered proven.

[Hornfinger]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

Agreed 100%. There has been somthing wrong with all of his last opponants.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

Agreed 100%. There has been somthing wrong with all of his last opponants.

Something wrong with all his last opponents ----> Pacquiao's wins are not that great ----> Pacquiao is not that great

Then why the hell is Pacquiao required to be subjected to a drug test that is beyond what is already required for all boxers?

[Gandalf]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

Agreed 100%. There has been somthing wrong with all of his last opponants.

Something wrong with all his last opponents ----> Pacquiao's wins are not that great ----> Pacquiao is not that great

Then why the hell is Pacquiao required to be subjected to a drug test that is beyond what is already required for all boxers?

If it is part of a contract negotiation, then why not?

The other opponent will be doing the same thing. It isn't that big an ask.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

Agreed 100%. There has been somthing wrong with all of his last opponants.

Something wrong with all his last opponents ----> Pacquiao's wins are not that great ----> Pacquiao is not that great

Then why the hell is Pacquiao required to be subjected to a drug test that is beyond what is already required for all boxers?

If it is part of a contract negotiation, then why not?

The other opponent will be doing the same thing. It isn't that big an ask.

Why would it be placed in the contract negotiation if Pacquiao's recent wins are not that great since it's against opponents who are either weight-drained or damaged?

I put that question out to Hornfinger because he does not think that Pacquiao's achievements are that great and yet he insist that Manny is using PEDS.

[Julius Rain]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

So if you think Pacs past oppenents have been so weak, tell me whos been fighting better opposition?

Name one fighter who has done better than the fighter of the decade?

[Chino]

Another interview I heard from Bob Arum said that he didn't want Manny to take the blood tests because "sometimes the nurses can't find the veins and they keep poking and poking..Floyd is harrassing Manny with these blood tests because he knows Manny gets freaked out with blood tests...". We keep hearing all kinds of excuses. Maybe Bob Arum, Freddy Roach, and Manny should get together and agree on what stories to say so they don't keep contradicting each other.

I am not saying Floyd wins easily. Nope, heck, if someone can beat Floyd I'll say it's Manny AND BY KO/TKO! Or Floyd could win by a clear desicion.

But the contradicting excuses gotta stop from Pac and his team. On the last 24/7 Pac's team is seen once again saying they need weeks of no blood tests.



ESPN talks about random blood tests:


Manny contradicting himself in another interview:

[:::PSL:::]

Another interview I heard from Bob Arum said that he didn't want Manny to take the blood tests because "sometimes the nurses can't find the veins and they keep poking and poking..Floyd is harrassing Manny with these blood tests because he knows Manny gets freaked out with blood tests...". We keep hearing all kinds of excuses. Maybe Bob Arum, Freddy Roach, and Manny should get together and agree on what stories to say so they don't keep contradicting each other.

I am not saying Floyd wins easily. Nope, heck, if someone can beat Floyd I'll say it's Manny AND BY KO/TKO! Or Floyd could win by a clear desicion.

But the contradicting excuses gotta stop from Pac and his team. On the last 24/7 Pac's team is seen once again saying they need weeks of no blood tests.

The NSAC backed him up on that though. They don't want any fighter's blood drawn so close to a fight because of risk of infection, the development of hematomas and the possibility of nicking a vein.

[Chino]

Another interview I heard from Bob Arum said that he didn't want Manny to take the blood tests because "sometimes the nurses can't find the veins and they keep poking and poking..Floyd is harrassing Manny with these blood tests because he knows Manny gets freaked out with blood tests..." . We keep hearing all kinds of excuses. Maybe Bob Arum, Freddy Roach, and Manny should get together and agree on what stories to say so they don't keep contradicting each other.

I am not saying Floyd wins easily. Nope, heck, if someone can beat Floyd I'll say it's Manny AND BY KO/TKO! Or Floyd could win by a clear desicion.

But the contradicting excuses gotta stop from Pac and his team. On the last 24/7 Pac's team is seen once again saying they need weeks of no blood tests.

The NSAC backed him up on that though. They don't want any fighter's blood drawn so close to a fight because of risk of infection, the development of hematomas and the possibility of nicking a vein.

We don’t even hear of those problems when we all go get our blood tested or something. Look how close to a fight has Manny given blood with no problems what so ever (check out the videos) and see how Freddy Roach, Bob Arum, and Manny’s excuses don’t make sense at all, they don’t match each other, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, like I have said before, I can totally see Manny beating Floyd by KO/TKO or Floyd gliding to a decision.

[fan johnny]

Another interview I heard from Bob Arum said that he didn't want Manny to take the blood tests because "sometimes the nurses can't find the veins and they keep poking and poking..Floyd is harrassing Manny with these blood tests because he knows Manny gets freaked out with blood tests..." . We keep hearing all kinds of excuses. Maybe Bob Arum, Freddy Roach, and Manny should get together and agree on what stories to say so they don't keep contradicting each other.

I am not saying Floyd wins easily. Nope, heck, if someone can beat Floyd I'll say it's Manny AND BY KO/TKO! Or Floyd could win by a clear desicion.

But the contradicting excuses gotta stop from Pac and his team. On the last 24/7 Pac's team is seen once again saying they need weeks of no blood tests.

The NSAC backed him up on that though. They don't want any fighter's blood drawn so close to a fight because of risk of infection, the development of hematomas and the possibility of nicking a vein.

We don’t even hear of those problems when we all go get our blood tested or something. Look how close to a fight has Manny given blood with no problems what so ever (check out the videos) and see how Freddy Roach, Bob Arum, and Manny’s excuses don’t make sense at all, they don’t match each other, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, like I have said before, I can totally see Manny beating Floyd by KO/TKO or Floyd gliding to a decision.

Dude! You don't get it! The truth there is no test to detect the substance in Pacquiao's body that gives him the superhuman Chi. It is not known in the western world so they don't know what to look for. It's an ancient Asian secret that Bruce Lee threatened to reveal to his students when they reached their potential and why he was assassinated because of it.

[Hornfinger]

Pac already made $40M since the first negotiation collapsed. Besides, Floyd need Pac too to earn that kind of quick dough. Maybe Mayweather is the one who's scared shit.

Pac already proven his p4p greatness and Floyd aint the boss of him.

Pac made 40Mil for the Rito nonsense?

Can you and do you REALLY feel that Pac proved his "greatness", name 1 fighter out of his last 6 that was ACTUALLY a challenge. I mean, there's video of even ROACH talking about every fighter he's beaten and pretty much agreed with those that say Pacman is fighting past their prime, shell fighters. So seriously, and I'm not trying to be a mean spirited. But lets take a real look at his last 6 fights.

In NO order

Rito
Hoya
Cotto
Clottey
Hatton
Diaz

None of those fighters posed a threat, not 1. All were either weight drained, past their prime, have been KO'd, abused, questionable losses......I mean really. Other than the "names" having clout, none of those fighters really posed ANY threat or were worth watching.

So if you think Pacs past oppenents have been so weak, tell me whos been fighting better opposition?

Name one fighter who has done better than the fighter of the decade?

Anyone who's not been fighting shot fighters at catch weights.