Printable View
....You wouldn't put your money on Haye vs Wladimir, but after seeing that fight and seeing how Haye fought you'd put money on him vs Vitali?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
wlads performance wasnt exactly mr machoQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
its looking like vitali might want it, i hope that does happen, i would put my money on haye v any other HW
....Geez, just when I think you've hit rock bottom with your nonsense you one up yourself yet again
can you find a post where i have said that?Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantzQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
You have issues if you seriously believe Haye would beat Vitali. Absolutely deluded.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
you have issues
you said all this before he fought wlad, he;s scare he'll never turn up, hes run away before, have you not learned from that mistake?Quote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantz (gay)
you read it wrong sozQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....You wouldn't put your money on Haye vs Wladimir, but after seeing that fight and seeing how Haye fought you'd put money on him vs Vitali?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44wlads performance wasnt exactly mr machoQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
its looking like vitali might want it, i hope that does happen, i would put my money on haye v any other HW
....Geez, just when I think you've hit rock bottom with your nonsense you one up yourself yet again
can you point out a post where i "one up myself" before? to save you the effort there isnt one
So basically you said "I would put my money on Haye v any other heavyweight" but you MEANT you would favor Haye over anyone outside the Klitschko brothers (I had to assume you wouldn't take Haye in a rematch vs Wlad just based on how you wrote it...I don't like to assume).Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you read it wrong sozQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....You wouldn't put your money on Haye vs Wladimir, but after seeing that fight and seeing how Haye fought you'd put money on him vs Vitali?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44wlads performance wasnt exactly mr machoQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
its looking like vitali might want it, i hope that does happen, i would put my money on haye v any other HW
....Geez, just when I think you've hit rock bottom with your nonsense you one up yourself yet again
can you point out a post where i "one up myself" before? to save you the effort there isnt one
You're still showing Haye a great deal of respect. He may have the skill set to beat loads of heavyweights, but the heart and tenacity remain in question.
dont be daft, if he had no heart he wouldnt have travelled to Germany under wlads terms (also france v mormeck and germany v valuev)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongSo basically you said "I would put my money on Haye v any other heavyweight" but you MEANT you would favor Haye over anyone outside the Klitschko brothers (I had to assume you wouldn't take Haye in a rematch vs Wlad just based on how you wrote it...I don't like to assume).Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44you read it wrong sozQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong....You wouldn't put your money on Haye vs Wladimir, but after seeing that fight and seeing how Haye fought you'd put money on him vs Vitali?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44wlads performance wasnt exactly mr machoQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
its looking like vitali might want it, i hope that does happen, i would put my money on haye v any other HW
....Geez, just when I think you've hit rock bottom with your nonsense you one up yourself yet again
can you point out a post where i "one up myself" before? to save you the effort there isnt one
You're still showing Haye a great deal of respect. He may have the skill set to beat loads of heavyweights, but the heart and tenacity remain in question.
Haye lost convincingly, does he deserve a rematch in boxing terms, probably not, wlad was much the better fighter
Really if you had to bet your life savings on haye v any other hw (other than the klits) would you bet against haye?
home field advantage is big in boxing as proved in the super 6, ward battered kessler, do you reckon it would have been that easy in denmark? haye has heart
Erics44, is the only reason you are a fan of Haye because he is British? I can't for the life of me understand why you rate him so highly. Before the Wladimir fight, you said that you liked Haye for his potential, but now that you've seen him against Wladimir, you still believe he has potential? What did he show you in that fight that makes you have faith in him? He didn't show me anything. To be fair, I could see competitive fights with Arreola, Adamek, Povetkin, Chagaev, but I don't see how you could feel super confident he'd win those fights after his last and worst performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44wlads performance wasnt exactly mr machoQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
its looking like vitali might want it, i hope that does happen, i would put my money on haye v any other HW
Let's all be honest though, Haye isn't fighting Adamek, he isn't fight Arreola, he isn't fighting Chagaev or Povetkin, he just wants the money fight with Wlad. He's not willing to risk any other fight. And why anyone would think he'd have a shot against Vitali is beyond me.
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I am a haye fan yes because he is british and i am british and like to get behind the brits, also i have enjoyed the HW division for once in a long time and its down to haye, a britQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratErics44, is the only reason you are a fan of Haye because he is British? I can't for the life of me understand why you rate him so highly. Before the Wladimir fight, you said that you liked Haye for his potential, but now that you've seen him against Wladimir, you still believe he has potential? What did he show you in that fight that makes you have faith in him? He didn't show me anything. To be fair, I could see competitive fights with Arreola, Adamek, Povetkin, Chagaev, but I don't see how you could feel super confident he'd win those fights after his last and worst performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44wlads performance wasnt exactly mr machoQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
its looking like vitali might want it, i hope that does happen, i would put my money on haye v any other HW
Let's all be honest though, Haye isn't fighting Adamek, he isn't fight Arreola, he isn't fighting Chagaev or Povetkin, he just wants the money fight with Wlad. He's not willing to risk any other fight. And why anyone would think he'd have a shot against Vitali is beyond me.
reread your last paragraph, he just wants a money fight with wlad so he hasnt got the bottle to fight the others? cummon dude, i dunno whether to call it a contradiction or just stupidness
Haye was in it to SURVIVE vs Wlad he wasn't in it to win, he didn't do a damn thing but get on his bike and then try to steal points by falling down all the time feigning like Wlad pushed him. I guess that was "Master Genius" Trainer Adam Booth's secret weapon :vd:
In the end the guy tried to unify the belts by trying to draw a DQ out of the ref...its gutless and disrespectful and the whole of England should be ashamed of him.
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
you are wrong completely, in fact ive never read a post from you when you have been more wrong
and you say all this about haye, but wlads performance wasnt exactly macho, he took no chances either (a lot more than usual but still very little)
if haye had won i wouldnt be telling you how crap wlad is/was whatever, be as honourable in defeat as in victory
you should accept the situation that whilst wlad and vitali are champs unless one of them fight haye again then we wont have any excitement like we had for the last month or two until they retire and we get a new champ
There won't be any excitement surrounding a Haye vs Klit fight any more as everyone knows he was just all hype. The ambulances, the hospital visits, the vicious knockouts, this "plan that no one has ever seen before" - it was a fucking joke and Haye looks an even bigger cunt than he already was because of it. I certainly wouldn't pay £15 to watch him fight Wlad again. I'm not sure many other boxing 'fans' would either.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Wladimir came to fight which is why he spent his time stalking Haye down. Did Wlad stand toe to toe with David? No...#1 that's not Wlad's style but #2 Haye wouldn't have returned the favor. The issue people have with Wlad's defense is simply this he's a big guy and usually instead of just blocking a punch he'll block and move sometimes to try and set up a counter punch and its odd seeing a guy who is 6'7 jump back or tie up when a fighter gets inside (although Lewis and Ali did the same fucking thing, but I digress). Did Wlad let his hands go enough? No, I don't think he did, but part of that comes from Wlad being around so long (56 wins now) that he knows what he has to do to win rounds, certainly he would have liked the KO, but he couldn't make Haye stand still to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
At the end of the day Wlad is THE Champion and it was Haye's job to take the belts off of him...and all I can say for Haye's effort is: for a guy with a broken toe he certainly ran well enough.
Who says we won't have excitement? I'm happy every time the Klitschko's fight, they are great champions. As for the division as a whole, it'll always be interesting and there will always be good fights out there to be made. Right now if Arreola doesn't fight Wlad then an Arreola-Stiverne fight would be a hell of a brawl! Boytsov is a good action fighter, a little small for heavyweight but a good fighter. Povetkin needs to step up, I think a match vs Dimitrenko would be ok. The division has never been only about 1 or 2 guys...though Wlad and Vitali are head and shoulders above their competition.
Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWladimir came to fight which is why he spent his time stalking Haye down. Did Wlad stand toe to toe with David? No...#1 that's not Wlad's style but #2 Haye wouldn't have returned the favor. The issue people have with Wlad's defense is simply this he's a big guy and usually instead of just blocking a punch he'll block and move sometimes to try and set up a counter punch and its odd seeing a guy who is 6'7 jump back or tie up when a fighter gets inside (although Lewis and Ali did the same fucking thing, but I digress). Did Wlad let his hands go enough? No, I don't think he did, but part of that comes from Wlad being around so long (56 wins now) that he knows what he has to do to win rounds, certainly he would have liked the KO, but he couldn't make Haye stand still to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
At the end of the day Wlad is THE Champion and it was Haye's job to take the belts off of him...and all I can say for Haye's effort is: for a guy with a broken toe he certainly ran well enough.
Who says we won't have excitement? I'm happy every time the Klitschko's fight, they are great champions. As for the division as a whole, it'll always be interesting and there will always be good fights out there to be made. Right now if Arreola doesn't fight Wlad then an Arreola-Stiverne fight would be a hell of a brawl! Boytsov is a good action fighter, a little small for heavyweight but a good fighter. Povetkin needs to step up, I think a match vs Dimitrenko would be ok. The division has never been only about 1 or 2 guys...though Wlad and Vitali are head and shoulders above their competition.
you are happy when they fight but the majorty of the boxing world arent and thats a fact
as stubborn as you are you cant tell me that this fight with haye hasnt generated more interest around the world than any other wlads other fights by some distance
I would go as far as to say more than all of his fights in his recent reign put together
for once in a long time there was interest in the HW division and until they retire we wont get that again
unless maybe haye fights one of them again
A fight with haye will generate more interest than with any other fighter, not as much as this time around maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by boxingbantzThere won't be any excitement surrounding a Haye vs Klit fight any more as everyone knows he was just all hype. The ambulances, the hospital visits, the vicious knockouts, this "plan that no one has ever seen before" - it was a fucking joke and Haye looks an even bigger cunt than he already was because of it. I certainly wouldn't pay £15 to watch him fight Wlad again. I'm not sure many other boxing 'fans' would either.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
and you would pay the £15
Depends on who you ask really...just remind yourself that over 50,000 people came to watch Wladimir Klitschko vs Eddie Chambers. Has David Haye ever drawn a crowd close to that size? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWladimir came to fight which is why he spent his time stalking Haye down. Did Wlad stand toe to toe with David? No...#1 that's not Wlad's style but #2 Haye wouldn't have returned the favor. The issue people have with Wlad's defense is simply this he's a big guy and usually instead of just blocking a punch he'll block and move sometimes to try and set up a counter punch and its odd seeing a guy who is 6'7 jump back or tie up when a fighter gets inside (although Lewis and Ali did the same fucking thing, but I digress). Did Wlad let his hands go enough? No, I don't think he did, but part of that comes from Wlad being around so long (56 wins now) that he knows what he has to do to win rounds, certainly he would have liked the KO, but he couldn't make Haye stand still to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
At the end of the day Wlad is THE Champion and it was Haye's job to take the belts off of him...and all I can say for Haye's effort is: for a guy with a broken toe he certainly ran well enough.
Who says we won't have excitement? I'm happy every time the Klitschko's fight, they are great champions. As for the division as a whole, it'll always be interesting and there will always be good fights out there to be made. Right now if Arreola doesn't fight Wlad then an Arreola-Stiverne fight would be a hell of a brawl! Boytsov is a good action fighter, a little small for heavyweight but a good fighter. Povetkin needs to step up, I think a match vs Dimitrenko would be ok. The division has never been only about 1 or 2 guys...though Wlad and Vitali are head and shoulders above their competition.
you are happy when they fight but the majorty of the boxing world arent and thats a fact
as stubborn as you are you cant tell me that this fight with haye hasnt generated more interest around the world than any other wlads other fights by some distance
I would go as far as to say more than all of his fights in his recent reign put together
for once in a long time there was interest in the HW division and until they retire we wont get that again
unless maybe haye fights one of them again