Re: Hatton contemplated suicide
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I didn't mean to suggest that Hatton is stupid because he gets depressed, it's more about his admitted heavy drug usage and drinking binges, and the fact that he's never seemed like the sharpest tack in the box. Just guessing i'd say much of Hatton's "depression" was temporary and brought on by losing the fight to Pacquiao, the drugs & alcohol just fueled the already existing problem.
sorry to be presumptive, and yes I really do hope he recovers fully and it doesnt become a slippery slope!
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If very intelligent people are more susceptible to depression and other forms of mental illnesses, then i'd say there's a good chance that Hatton's is short term. :rotflmao:
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personally I think Hatton wasnt stupid in comparison to Joe Calzaghe or other cherrypickers, he just really believed intaking on the best to become the best, and that is what competitive sport is all about at the end of the day. No point in being another Jack Dempsey (championship years, his manger drew the colour line), Calzaghe (1999-2006, by cherrypicking) or John L Sullivan (his whole life spent not fighting blacks, some of whom would have iced him) and only fighting half the eligible contenders, that makes you only half a world champion, which he already was - he wanted the whole pie. And fair play to him for trying when others knew they didnt have it in them to get higher than a portion of the world title. That is the stuff that makes REAL champions. If I ever was a boxer in real (reincarnated) life, I'd do the same unless I was so incapable of sorting my finances out that I had to cherrypick so as to get rich via the easiest route. Which is what Ricky has done,
ironic given that people think hes dumb - he is light years ahead financially of the people who criticise him.
Hatton had an exceptionally successful career, he created a fan base that most other Pugs simply dream of, I wouldn't be surprised if he had a net worth of over $100 million American. So really, how stupid could the guy be?
Just saying, no matter who you are, if you've got $100 mil in the bank, but you're snorting large amounts of cocaine, going drinking binges and contemplating suicide, then you aren't showing a high degree of intelligence, are you now. ;)
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Just saying, no matter who you are, if you've got $100 mil in the bank, but you're snorting large amounts of cocaine, going drinking binges and contemplating suicide, then you aren't showing a high degree of intelligence, are you now. ;)
If you scale down your money quote to 'just rich' instead of 'superrich', its funny how your quote describes a lot of people in the legal and medical professions - drinking binges at college, drug useand a high suicide rate amongst the professions. I am sure they were stupid in passing all their bar and med school exams.
You need to factor in that gradually changing situations and cause and effect over years of time. A lot happens on the road to people and they arent just depressed and stupid fullstop like a definition in a dictionary - though if that is what you or others need to beleive, so that you can look down on them and thus keep themselves on track than thats fine. BUt your point of view is the fulcrum on which people in danger of depression are left to fall ignomiously.
Re: Hatton contemplated suicide
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Yeah, some are stars some are like comets.;)
Boxing produces a lot of guys like that, they're on top of the world until they run into someone better or lose a few fights, then their world comes crashing down on them.
For every "high" you experience in life, it seems like there's a low that follows it.
Yeah I agree, it comes around to us all. I look at accomplishments a bit like stretching time out making it falsely feel lineal and longer but we all know deep down that whatever you do and whatever comes your way from it its one still one big learning
curve ;).
Whether you're, rich or poor, young, old, or famous, et al, life has a way of humbling all of us, just when you think you know it all, you find out you don't. ;)
Your words are but a rare drop of wisdom in the pool of our scocieties malice and ill conceived conciousness. It hath been years since thine eyes induged in such an overwhelming sence of ones frailty in the shadow of anothers weakening heart.
I believe a qoute from the Count of Monte Christo is in order:
"Life is a storm my young friend. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes. You must look into that storm and shout as you did in Rome, "Do your worst, for I will do mine!" Then the fates will know you as we know you: as Albert Mondego, the man."
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Mars_ax
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Andre
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Andre
Yeah, some are stars some are like comets.;)
Boxing produces a lot of guys like that, they're on top of the world until they run into someone better or lose a few fights, then their world comes crashing down on them.
For every "high" you experience in life, it seems like there's a low that follows it.
Yeah I agree, it comes around to us all. I look at accomplishments a bit like stretching time out making it falsely feel lineal and longer but we all know deep down that whatever you do and whatever comes your way from it its one still one big learning
curve ;).
Whether you're, rich or poor, young, old, or famous, et al, life has a way of humbling all of us, just when you think you know it all, you find out you don't. ;)
Your words are but a rare drop of wisdom in the pool of our scocieties malice and ill conceived conciousness. It hath been years since thine eyes induged in such an overwhelming sence of ones frailty in the shadow of anothers weakening heart.
I believe a qoute from the Count of Monte Christo is in order:
"Life is a storm my young friend. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes. You must look into that storm and shout as you did in Rome, "Do your worst, for I will do mine!" Then the fates will know you as we know you: as Albert Mondego, the man."
Great Quote! They put out a pretty good movie a few years back about "The Count of Monte Christo, I think i've watched it about a dozen times. I love flicks like that, and I love seeing people come back from the worst kind of adversity, to become stronger then ever.
cheers
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Just saying, no matter who you are, if you've got $100 mil in the bank, but you're snorting large amounts of cocaine, going drinking binges and contemplating suicide, then you aren't showing a high degree of intelligence, are you now. ;)
If you scale down your money quote to 'just rich' instead of 'superrich', its funny how your quote describes a lot of people in the legal and medical professions - drinking binges at college, drug useand a high suicide rate amongst the professions. I am sure they were stupid in passing all their bar and med school exams.
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Very true,but there are degrees of stupidity, you have intelligence and IQ and then you have poor me types who believe they are victims of circumstance totally beyond their control when in fact they attract their own further downfall in it; where as others in the same situation wil use it as spring board to go further and embrace change.
In regards to money and position think it shows us that many people are driven not by their own heart but by others expectations or by their own ego which eventually fails to fill us too.
The richest of heart give back freely and grow way beyond their first aim.
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Mars_ax
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Leighton
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Mars_ax
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Andre
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Mars_ax
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Andre
Yeah, some are stars some are like comets.;)
Boxing produces a lot of guys like that, they're on top of the world until they run into someone better or lose a few fights, then their world comes crashing down on them.
For every "high" you experience in life, it seems like there's a low that follows it.
Yeah I agree, it comes around to us all. I look at accomplishments a bit like stretching time out making it falsely feel lineal and longer but we all know deep down that whatever you do and whatever comes your way from it its one still one big learning
curve ;).
Whether you're, rich or poor, young, old, or famous, et al, life has a way of humbling all of us, just when you think you know it all, you find out you don't. ;)
Your words are but a rare drop of wisdom in the pool of our scocieties malice and ill conceived conciousness. It hath been years since thine eyes induged in such an overwhelming sence of ones frailty in the shadow of anothers weakening heart.
I believe a qoute from the Count of Monte Christo is in order:
"Life is a storm my young friend. You will bask in the sunlight one moment, be shattered on the rocks the next. What makes you a man is what you do when that storm comes. You must look into that storm and shout as you did in Rome, "Do your worst, for I will do mine!" Then the fates will know you as we know you: as Albert Mondego, the man."
Great Quote! They put out a pretty good movie a few years back about "The Count of Monte Christo, I think i've watched it about a dozen times. I love flicks like that, and I love seeing people come back from the worst kind of adversity, to become stronger then ever.
cheers
;D Yeah Great quote!
I think you guys would like this classic scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3W5GDkgf2w&NR=1
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It must be tough like emotionally being up on Everest with many friends one day and in a black cave alone the next.
It least Hatton didn't duck the best, I respect him for that.
What Ricky always needs to remember is he can laugh all the way to the bank. ;)
Me too. On the other Hatton was perhaps overdosed by fantasies about him beating Pacman. Thousands of british fans travelled to US to see that fight and part of Hatton's problems came with those fans. I've had a long time vision about Britain as an very mediahyped society, where realism is displaced by fantasies, hype and dreams. The truth was that Hatton, just like DLH, Vargas, Cotto and Margarito is indeed great boxer but he just like those i mentioned are not in nobility of professional boxing. He was never near it.
Just like Frog, Hatton can be "worldchampion" but not a real worldchampion, especially in divisions where Mayweather and Pacquaio are operating. That's why his depression was part of overdose of british hype.
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Pissed me off when he claimed to be fighting for the world's p4p when he fought Pacquiao. Probably claimed the same thing before he fought Mayweather. I think Hatton was always a case of a nation wanting real bad for a native son to be the greatest... and hyping him more than he deserved. Hatton believed the hype, and got summarily destroyed in both fights.
Pacquiao's punch, in particular, seemed to say... "I got your p4p # 1 right here." (Accompanied, of course, by the required crotch-grabbing).
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Pissed me off when he claimed to be fighting for the world's p4p when he fought Pacquiao. Probably claimed the same thing before he fought Mayweather. I think Hatton was always a case of a nation wanting real bad for a native son to be the greatest... and hyping him more than he deserved. Hatton believed the hype, and got summarily destroyed in both fights.
Pacquiao's punch, in particular, seemed to say... "I got your p4p # 1 right here." (Accompanied, of course, by the required crotch-grabbing).
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The problem was when he fought Manny his punch resitence was out the window. Thats the problem when you have a career of defending knock out punches with your face. By the end of your career you have no punch resistance.
What I will say in his favour though is that he is the last person I have seen come out and actually try and fight Mayweather and Pac. I dont think he had it in him to go onto a fight just to last to the end and say I went 12 rounds with someone. He would rather go down fighting.
That is what made him an exciting fighter and a real warrior. The one thing that escapes are top two P4P fighters.
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It must be tough like emotionally being up on Everest with many friends one day and in a black cave alone the next.
It least Hatton didn't duck the best, I respect him for that.
What Ricky always needs to remember is he can laugh all the way to the bank. ;)
are you kidding me? lol he already snorted most of it away haha
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Ricky's had so little in life... such few opportunities and such little talent to work with.
I Sympathise for him and my heart goes out to him. :rolleyes:
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I actually feel sorry for Hatton, there is no doubt that the Pac defeat crushed him and that he went off the rails. However, it isn't a recent problem, he would go off the rails between fights when he was doing well too. The man has had a problem with addiction and since the end of boxing, those addictions were allowed to swell beyond any sense of control.
Of course he suffers from depression and has been seriously down in the dumps. I see no reason to belittle the man for it.
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Some absolute pathetic views in this thread.
Hatton didn't become the lineal champion and one of the biggest ticket sellers in boxing because of hype. He got there because he was a brilliant fighter.
Before facing Floyd, Hatton was unbeaten, the best 140lb fighter in the world, had won a "world" title at 147, was P4P rated top 10, was a crossover star for America/HBO and had been voted the American Writers fighter of the year.
You can't get much better credentials than that.
He was a perfect candidate to get a shot at the worlds best fighter. Fact.
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The openning post is a shameful too
someone going so low that they condidered taking their own life mainly because of one incident isnt something that should be laughed at
maybe i got the wrong end of the stick but writing
Perhaps this why Ricky was depressed:
doesnt seem that supportive to me
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Re: Hatton contemplated suicide
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Andre
Very true,but there are degrees of stupidity, you have intelligence and IQ and then you have poor me types who believe they are victims of circumstance totally beyond their control when in fact they attract their own further downfall in it; where as others in the same situation wil use it as spring board to go further and embrace change.
you wirte very intelligently but you also have a misconception about what mental illness is in the form of depression.
Chronically depressed people are often the exact types who use the situation as a spring board and go further than those who fail. The two personality types you just described are not mutally exclusive at all, you cant say there is one group that fail and one group that dont by dint of their different personalities. Or else theres no way some of our greatest minds (who were mentally ill) would have acheived some of the greatest feat known to man, like Einstein's theory of relativity, and theres few things that are light years ahead of the crowd than that acheivement. Its not just Einstein, theres Woody Allen, Beyonce, John Lennon, Isaac Newton.
I understand you call it temporary though, yes -all the above people had ups after their downs and then downs again, generally the pattern of everyones life.It even possible that like some of the above, Ricky acheived what he did BECAUSE of a depressive illness that simply wasnt diagnosed at an earlier stage.
Totally agree with the rest of your post. it rings entirely true -
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In regards to money and position think it shows us that many people are driven not by their own heart but by others expectations or by their own ego which eventually fails to fill us too.
The richest of heart give back freely and grow way beyond their first aim.
on a lighter note, he seems to have piled on some pounds recently too -
