all I know is, Pacman aint the best asian fighter ever.. That's some bullshit.
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all I know is, Pacman aint the best asian fighter ever.. That's some bullshit.
Past their best? Barerra was coming off a string of wins and was only 29 when he first lost to the Pacman, i would say that Barrera was at his peak in 2003? Morales was also just 29 in 2005 when he first beat Pacman, can't see how either fighter was past his best when they fought Pacquaio?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Yea but we also have look at how they beat those fighters and what condition they were in at the time..Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Pac beat Marquez ONLY ON PAPER, but he pretty much got exposed..
Morales and Barrera were past their best..
Delahoya was a walking Zombie
Margarito is slow like a snail and was tailor made... He was cherry picked at a CW..
Cotto was a decent victory..
Both fighters have great resumes, i give Pacman the edge as he fought so many times against Barrera, Morales, Marquez and then moved up in weight to beat Cotto, Hatton, Margo, DLH and Mosley. Floyd missed some along the way, Tszyu, Cotto and Margo are not there. Floyd just doesn't fight often enough these days, why he hasn't fought Cotto is still a mystery to me..
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
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Monster streak going in with Impressive victories over Johny Tapia and Kevin Kelley following victories againts Enrique Sanchez and Erik Morales.
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[QUOTE=miron_lang;1015925][QUOTE=FinitoElDinamita;1015906]lol ummm because tapia was even more past it than Barrera and 126 wasn't his natural weight.. Same with Kelley.. He had much more mileage on him when barrera beat him...Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB:DQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Monster streak going in with Impressive victories over Johny Tapia and Kevin Kelley following victories againts Enrique Sanchez and Erik Morales.
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R u kidding me. haha c'mon Miron.. I know you aint no boxrec warrior.. ;D
Yea but the problems MAB was having isn't Manny Pacquiao's fault, MAB was still rated P4P number 3 wasn't he ? or easily top 5. So it is still a good win for Manny Pacquiao, and MAB did go on to beat Erik Morales clearly, and had a very good performance vs Paulie Ayala, so he wasn't that much past it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitabarrera was in his prime against NAz, but he started slipping after..Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBMAB was not past his best in the 1st meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYea but we also have look at how they beat those fighters and what condition they were in at the time..Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Pac beat Marquez ONLY ON PAPER, but he pretty much got exposed..
Morales and Barrera were past their best..
Delahoya was a walking Zombie
Margarito is slow like a snail and was tailor made... He was cherry picked at a CW..
Cotto was a decent victory..
Not to make excuses but he had many problems going into the pacman bout.. They started making an issue about the metal plate inside his head and he had to move camp in the middle because of the forrest fire in big bear...
MArco was not in his physical prime against pacman.. He was just a little bit past it..
He probably wasn't at his absolute peak, but you could say that for most fighters when they lose. All i know is MAB was rated very high in P4P rankings, and had good performances before and after the 1st Manny Pacquiao fight.
Neither is Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Floyd probably has the better talent but him fighting less frequently and taking less risk when he went up the higher weights made him lose to Manny in the resume department.
What do you mean no way ? both fights were close and easily could of gone to JMM. Infact most big websites and even Ring Magazine thought JMM beat Manny Pacquiao in there 2nd fight, and i had JMM edging both fights aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
I won't argue with you on that. But maybe you can tell us who you think is the best Asian fighter ever so as to educate us.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Inside that squared circle, Nonito Donaire is the the most talented and the most skilled Asian Boxer of all times..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI won't argue with you on that. But maybe you can tell us who you think is the best Asian fighter ever so as to educate us.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
The Korean Hawk Jung Koo Chang is the greatest JFW of all times.
And if we are talking about street figures, Kim Doo Han aka The General's Son is the greatest Asian streetfighter of all times. This man kept the Yakuza in check during the Japanese occupation.. Fact..
Nonito Donaire is not experienced enough to be considered the best. We'll know in the next 10 years if he'll be.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaInside that squared circle, Nonito Donaire is the the most talented and the most skilled Asian Boxer of all times..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI won't argue with you on that. But maybe you can tell us who you think is the best Asian fighter ever so as to educate us.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
The Korean Hawk Jung Koo Chang is the greatest JFW of all times.
And if we are talking about street figures, Kim Doo Han aka The General's Son is the greatest Asian streetfighter of all times. This man kept the Yakuza in check during the Japanese occupation.. Fact..
Jung-Koo Chang stayed in one weight division most of his career. He isn't even undefeated.
I don't believe Kim Doo Han is even involved in organized fighting so he doesn't qualify. But by including him, it appears that you are not just referring to boxing in here. Then Bruce Lee would rank higher than Pacquiao.
I never said anything about accomplishment.. Im only talking about skillset and natural talent and Nonito is the greatest ive seen..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerNonito Donaire is not experienced enough to be considered the best. We'll know in the next 10 years if he'll be.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaInside that squared circle, Nonito Donaire is the the most talented and the most skilled Asian Boxer of all times..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI won't argue with you on that. But maybe you can tell us who you think is the best Asian fighter ever so as to educate us.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
The Korean Hawk Jung Koo Chang is the greatest JFW of all times.
And if we are talking about street figures, Kim Doo Han aka The General's Son is the greatest Asian streetfighter of all times. This man kept the Yakuza in check during the Japanese occupation.. Fact..
Jung-Koo Chang stayed in one weight division most of his career. He isn't even undefeated.
I don't believe Kim Doo Han is even involved in organized fighting so he doesn't qualify. But by including him, it appears that you are not just referring to boxing in here. Then Bruce Lee would rank higher than Pacquiao.
What does being undefeated have to do with anything? Based on your analogy, Floyd is definitely greater than Pac then.. hagler never moved up either.. we can only judge fighters based on what was available to them and how they managed to win.. Same can be said of Ricardo Lopez..
Most historians agree that Chang is the #1-#2 Junior Fly of all times.. Him and Yuh Myung Woo are neck and neck..
Bruce Li? lol He's an actor... And I dont think you know much about Kim Doo Han but he was nothing like Bruce Li. Dude was a real gangster/streetfighter and most of his fights are well documented..
I'm sorry man. I can never take any reply you post on a Pacquiao thread seriously. I agree that Marquez and Pacquiao's fights were controversial, but to say it was obvious one person won the fight is ignorant. They were both razor close fights and could've gone either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
All this talk about Morales, Barrera and Marquez (the first time) not being in their prime when they fought Manny is horsesh*t. If they were on the downslide, Pacquiao was no where near his prime yet.
I understand you don't like the way he fights, but that shouldn't blind you from his place in boxing history. Pacquiao is EASILY and UNEQUIVOCALLY the best asian fighter ever.
Who the hell is Jung Koo Ching Chong Chai?
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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
That's racist :o
U dont know Chang? Im not surprised though.. many avid fans of pacman never watched boxing until he came along so ya know.. lol
If you are talking about the best Asian fighter, then you have to consider the accomplishment. For without it, the skillset and natural talent will just be subjective.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaI never said anything about accomplishment.. Im only talking about skillset and natural talent and Nonito is the greatest ive seen..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerNonito Donaire is not experienced enough to be considered the best. We'll know in the next 10 years if he'll be.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaInside that squared circle, Nonito Donaire is the the most talented and the most skilled Asian Boxer of all times..Quote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerI won't argue with you on that. But maybe you can tell us who you think is the best Asian fighter ever so as to educate us.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
The Korean Hawk Jung Koo Chang is the greatest JFW of all times.
And if we are talking about street figures, Kim Doo Han aka The General's Son is the greatest Asian streetfighter of all times. This man kept the Yakuza in check during the Japanese occupation.. Fact..
Jung-Koo Chang stayed in one weight division most of his career. He isn't even undefeated.
I don't believe Kim Doo Han is even involved in organized fighting so he doesn't qualify. But by including him, it appears that you are not just referring to boxing in here. Then Bruce Lee would rank higher than Pacquiao.
What does being undefeated have to do with anything? Based on your analogy, Floyd is definitely greater than Pac then.. hagler never moved up either.. we can only judge fighters based on what was available to them and how they managed to win.. Same can be said of Ricardo Lopez..
Most historians agree that Chang is the #1-#2 Junior Fly of all times.. Him and Yuh Myung Woo are neck and neck..
Bruce Li? lol He's an actor... And I dont think you know much about Kim Doo Han but he was nothing like Bruce Li. Dude was a real gangster/streetfighter and most of his fights are well documented..
If you are comparing a one division to a multidivision champion with regards to being the best EVER, then the former should at least be very dominant in his division. And he was defeated 4 times.
Bruce Lee may be an actor but he was involved in competitive fights. He is the founder of the Jet Kun Doo martial arts. And I don't even think Kim Doo Han is known outside of Korea.