Re: JFAT alliance for life
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boozeboxer
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Mars_ax
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miles
This fight went horribly wrong, but it doesn't really matter as the previous 20 years do matter. Unless you are Calzaghe all careers have a rise and a fall and James Toney is no different.
So this thread is for JFAT alliance people to get in and appreciate what he has done for us over the years. Tonight was shocking, but it is just one fight in many. This needn't be the reference point.
If you love Toney then get in here and say something.
I really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.
You are a complete ass. Toney competed on a world class level from 135 lbs to 235 lbs. If he had been been in great shape -- I guess this would be a worthwhile feat.
IMO,
however he maintained his competitive edge throughout the years is commendable. I will admit that he is a story of lost potential, but he was competitive against world class heavyweights even at weights best not attained.
I'm an ass for not agreeing with you? Who the fuck are you?
Just another kick ass member of the JFAT alliance I guess. :cool:
But really, if you just look at his accomplishments at the various weights without considering his wasted potential through his fitness -- it is quite incredible.
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I think he meant your an ass for even posting in this thread, Miles wasn't making an arguement one way or another Einstein.
I must say I don't get why you guys (Miles and Finito) bother trying to use this an an excuse to knock Hopkins though, or make it out like Toney is so much more the warrior. If Lebedev had body slammed James like Dawson did to Hopkins you clearly would have been adamant that he lose by DQ and put no blame on Toney whatsoever had he chose to quit, dont lie.
Re: JFAT alliance for life
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p4pking
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
miles
This fight went horribly wrong, but it doesn't really matter as the previous 20 years do matter. Unless you are Calzaghe all careers have a rise and a fall and James Toney is no different.
So this thread is for JFAT alliance people to get in and appreciate what he has done for us over the years. Tonight was shocking, but it is just one fight in many. This needn't be the reference point.
If you love Toney then get in here and say something.
I really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.
Are any of them black? Or no:-X
Huh?
Re: JFAT alliance for life
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boozeboxer
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Mars_ax
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boozeboxer
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
miles
This fight went horribly wrong, but it doesn't really matter as the previous 20 years do matter. Unless you are Calzaghe all careers have a rise and a fall and James Toney is no different.
So this thread is for JFAT alliance people to get in and appreciate what he has done for us over the years. Tonight was shocking, but it is just one fight in many. This needn't be the reference point.
If you love Toney then get in here and say something.
I really hope this thread is sarcasm, or being done in jest, because although Toney used to be a great talent, he stopped training and let his body go to shit years ago. I can think of a lot of pugs I admire, respect, and consider myself a fan of, but Toney ain't one of them.
You are a complete ass. Toney competed on a world class level from 135 lbs to 235 lbs. If he had been been in great shape -- I guess this would be a worthwhile feat.
IMO,
however he maintained his competitive edge throughout the years is commendable. I will admit that he is a story of lost potential, but he was competitive against world class heavyweights even at weights best not attained.
I'm an ass for not agreeing with you? Who the fuck are you?
Just another kick ass member of the JFAT alliance I guess. :cool:
But really, if you just look at his accomplishments at the various weights without considering his wasted potential through his fitness -- it is quite incredible.
No doubt that he was extremely talented, in fact that's what kept him being successful the last 7 or 8 years, experience and skills.
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p4pking
I think he meant your an ass for even posting in this thread, Miles wasn't making an arguement one way or another Einstein.
I must say I don't get why you guys (Miles and Finito) bother trying to use this an an excuse to knock Hopkins though, or make it out like Toney is so much more the warrior. If Lebedev had body slammed James like Dawson did to Hopkins you clearly would have been adamant that he lose by DQ and put no blame on Toney whatsoever had he chose to quit, dont lie.
Miles was getting a bit carried away with his undying love for James, I was finding it hard to believe he was being serious when he posted this thread, that is all.
But boozeboxer is correct, i'm am an asshole. ;)
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Jimanuel Boogustus
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Mars_ax
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p4pking
I think he meant your an ass for even posting in this thread, Miles wasn't making an arguement one way or another Einstein.
I must say I don't get why you guys (Miles and Finito) bother trying to use this an an excuse to knock Hopkins though, or make it out like Toney is so much more the warrior. If Lebedev had body slammed James like Dawson did to Hopkins you clearly would have been adamant that he lose by DQ and put no blame on Toney whatsoever had he chose to quit, dont lie.
Miles was getting a bit carried away with his undying love for James, I was finding it hard to believe he was being serious when he posted this thread, that is all.
But boozeboxer is correct, i'm am an asshole. ;)
Someone tell this clown he hasn't been here nearly half as long enough to even try and fuck with the mighty JFAT alliance.
1. JFAT
2. Old Guard
3. Chuck Norris Appreciation Society
In that order.
Yes.
We are OG boxing nerds hear us roar !!!
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Nobody should ever try to belittle the JFAT alliance. It is extremely offensive.
James Toney is still James Toney and though yesterday was a travesty, he is no spring chicken.
I believe he hurt himself early on, but he took his licks and went the distance. In the end that was all he could do and I am not going to knock him for it. He has had an all time great career.
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It sucks that he lost to this guy; But the real opponent is father time and eventually he rears his ugly head around that corner and beats us all. Toney could come back and have the Uncivil War part 2 with Roy Jones on ESPN.
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I think lights out put it most succinctly after beating Thornton in Donald Mcrae's excellent Dark Trade
"An' now, baby, it's time to eat cheeseburgers, lotsa cheeseburgers...'cos I'm James Toney, champion o' the world..."
Imbued with patience and skill he spoke of administering " a respectful beating" that night.
The time has come to walk away from an exceptional career.
James "Lights Out" Toney. A Legend.
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Hopkins didn't fight 12 rounds injured? Bla bla Hopkins is a clown, Toney is a throwback bla bla etc.
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Hopkins never squandered is talent by losing discipline and turning into a whale/got caught with roids in him either...
Hopkins, still in great shape and still winning titles/beating young fighters at almost 47.
But Toney gets all the accolades for letting it all slip when he had the talent to last much longer?
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Out of respect for the veteran JFAT (love the name) alliance, I've decided to stay the hell away from this thread, seeing as to how Toney is one of my most hated fighters of all time.
HAVE AT IT, JFAT FANS!!
;D
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AdamGB
Hopkins didn't fight 12 rounds injured? Bla bla Hopkins is a clown, Toney is a throwback bla bla etc.
This just in:
Hopkins never squandered is talent by losing discipline and turning into a whale/got caught with roids in him either...
Hopkins, still in great shape and still winning titles/beating young fighters at almost 47.
But Toney gets all the accolades for letting it all slip when he had the talent to last much longer?
Exactly, good post. Letting your body turn to shit and taking fights that will just embaress you is a lot more shameful than anything Hopkins has done in large part and certainly nothing that lends to Toney's rep.
Re: JFAT alliance for life
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Originally Posted by
p4pking
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
Hopkins didn't fight 12 rounds injured? Bla bla Hopkins is a clown, Toney is a throwback bla bla etc.
This just in:
Hopkins never squandered is talent by losing discipline and turning into a whale/got caught with roids in him either...
Hopkins, still in great shape and still winning titles/beating young fighters at almost 47.
But Toney gets all the accolades for letting it all slip when he had the talent to last much longer?
Exactly, good post. Letting your body turn to shit and taking fights that will just embaress you is a lot more shameful than anything Hopkins has done in large part and certainly nothing that lends to Toney's rep.
When was the last time Toney actually won a meaningful, high level, or championship fight? I don't count the non-title fight, over a shot Holyfield in 2003, so it would have to be the KO of Vassiliy Jirov 8 years ago, for the IBF Crusierweight trinket.
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I think beating Ruiz was a good win for him and kind of his last hurrah. I also don't really hold his steroid use in the same lights as I do for a lot of athletes because he had well documented problems with low testosterone and HGH levels, the steroids were prescribed to him by a physician as they would be for many people in his condition and weren't really performance enhancing.
