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yeah....umm, the doctors have said he was brain damaged so its not so much of an opinion. There was a youtube video that discussed this in great detail and they track his speech patterns and discuss his tests. Not making an excuse for the Golota beatings but he didnt pull that argument out of his ass as your "Please" suggests.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
There is an old boxing maxim which states that it's 95% mental and 5% physical. Andrew had the physical part pretty much mastered and was and sorta still is one of the most talented fighters pugilistically to ever come out of Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, upstairs he was a baron wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I'm not even sure Cus could have helped that basket case.
Assuming he had something upstairs other then spinal fluid, I think he could have really been a factor.
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Originally Posted by IamInuitThere is an old boxing maxim which states that it's 95% mental and 5% physical. Andrew had the physical part pretty much mastered and was and sorta still is one of the most talented fighters pugilistically to ever come out of Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, upstairs he was a baron wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I'm not even sure Cus could have helped that basket case.
Assuming he had something upstairs other then spinal fluid, I think he could have really been a factor.
Good post. Hypotheticals just don't work with guys who lack the mindset in that way, it's not much different than saying what if Glen Johnson was Audley Harrison or something. I do think Golota held it together on a couple of occasions, but I'm thinking of the Byrd and Ruiz fights where he wasn't in against guys who could hurt him. I thought he won both of those fairly clearly if I remember, but he was always going to fall apart or implode at other times. Lennox Lewis flat out iced him as well, I don't think that his shortcomings were even on display so much in that fight, he just got caught cold.
Yeah that one he just got iced but he did look timid/scarred before it happened...golota certainly is a curious mental case and a pyschologist should have done a study or two on the guy.hell he was decently talented good jab, good size, had a good amateur career winning bronze in 88...but as someone else said its like he had a switch that would flip just randomly. he would commit fouls when he was completely dominating a guy, or flat out quit cause hell he didnt want to go 2 more rounds and have a wide points victory...strange case. Funny thing is tho if I remember right from the legendary nights episode he just wanted to be a truck driver or something of the sort when he came to the us...Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThere is an old boxing maxim which states that it's 95% mental and 5% physical. Andrew had the physical part pretty much mastered and was and sorta still is one of the most talented fighters pugilistically to ever come out of Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, upstairs he was a baron wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
I'm not even sure Cus could have helped that basket case.
Assuming he had something upstairs other then spinal fluid, I think he could have really been a factor.
Good post. Hypotheticals just don't work with guys who lack the mindset in that way, it's not much different than saying what if Glen Johnson was Audley Harrison or something. I do think Golota held it together on a couple of occasions, but I'm thinking of the Byrd and Ruiz fights where he wasn't in against guys who could hurt him. I thought he won both of those fairly clearly if I remember, but he was always going to fall apart or implode at other times. Lennox Lewis flat out iced him as well, I don't think that his shortcomings were even on display so much in that fight, he just got caught cold.
Is this still on? I remember making a thread on this a while back.Quote:
Originally Posted by therealremi
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...olota-3-a.html
Edit: I just read on a Polish site that they will compete in a steel cage match. I gotta see this ;D
I thought the Golota that beat Chris Byrd and John Ruiz was pretty good too ;D
ı remmeber watchıng the 1st fıght ınjuly 1996 on hbo -- ı had never even herd of golota but holy shıt ı wıll never ever forget that hot humıd NJ nıght watchıng that ıncredıble fıght--ıncredıble ın so many ways. Rıght b4 the fıght--they dıd a lıttle ıntro about golota sınce alot of people obvıously dıdnt really know hım at that poınt. Golota gave a lıttel pre-recorded spewech about polısh beer, polısh sausages and polısh fıghters, a lıttle comıc spıel that ı thought was rather weırd. And the fıght that followed was wıerder stıll! Amazıng fıght--- Ill never forget ıt--and YES goplota showed some amazıng speed for a heavyweıght wıth joltıng accurate straıght punches wıth both hands. too bad he self -destructed. he was a bıg dısappoıntment to a lot of fans.
I've always though that Golota and Bowe were a lot alike. Both had great HW size, skill and power (More so for Bowe). Unfortunately Bowe never saw a twinkie he didn't like and Andrew just fell apart in the ring.
Golota was a head case who could freeze and get blown away early or very rarely be competitive against the best fighters. He has the right tools but not the mentality to be the top fighter he should have been.
When did the doctors say he was brain damaged exactly? You do know boxers have to pass a medical don't you? If anyone had 'fragility' of the brain it was golota! Are you trying to tell us that bowe was a mongoloid, 50% of the fighter he was a year before? Did he suddenly suffer a stroke or something!!!! GTFO....bowe say's he avoided jail by saying he was brain damaged!Quote:
yeah....umm, the doctors have said he was brain damaged so its not so much of an opinion. There was a youtube video that discussed this in great detail and they track his speech patterns and discuss his tests. Not making an excuse for the Golota beatings but he didnt pull that argument out of his ass as your "Please" suggests.
bowe say's avoided jail by saying brain damaged? lock him up - Stripers247.com Forums
Lawyer: Bowe brain-damaged when agreed to plead guilty | chronicle.augusta.com
He pleaded brain damage to avoid jail!
He then publicly denies he has brain damage lol:
Bowe Ready To Box, Denies Brain Damage - New York Daily News
Sounds to me like his fans are in denial about the fact that golota was the better boxer, Regardless of the low blows...just want to be clear, are you saying he was not the fighter who fought holyfield? lol......
I actually had a momentary lull at work and had a moment to look at your post and links so first of all you didn't understand my post. The red headed lady with the glassses who is the doctor in Neveda for alot of the fights(can't think of her name) has publicly said this. She has noted that the change in speech pattern b/w the first Holyfield fight and the first Golota fight was clearly indicative of severe brain damage. It was night and day. Also I am a believer that Golota would have given Bowe trouble at any point of his career due to his size and serviceable jab. As I said in my previous post this was NOT an excuse for Bowe's performances but for you to just dismiss the evidence of medical professionals so nonchalantly is just silly. If you think Bowe is inferior to Golota just say so and leave it at that. Also your links really don't help you much. What person with any real sense would publicly admit that he faked brain damage to avoid jail? That just proves that he is clearly touched now. Another point I would like to make is that Bowe is a fighter who clearly wants to fight so of course he is going to say he is okay. There is a story going aroung that he is going to fight Golota in a MMA match! This doesn't reek of a man that needs money and will say whatever in order to fight, but I digress from the true point of my initial post which was that you can't take a doctor's opinion and toss it out as BS so nonchalantly without proof to refute. It is quite clear that Bowe did alot of this to himself by not taking care of himself and I AGREE WITH YOU that Golota would have given him that beating without brain damage but for a different reason probably. By the way....I Am NOT A BOWE NUTHUGGER by any stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER
Bowe is inferior to golota.Quote:
I actually had a momentary lull at work and had a moment to look at your post and links so first of all you didn't understand my post. The red headed lady with the glassses who is the doctor in Neveda for alot of the fights(can't think of her name) has publicly said this. She has noted that the change in speech pattern b/w the first Holyfield fight and the first Golota fight was clearly indicative of severe brain damage. It was night and day. Also I am a believer that Golota would have given Bowe trouble at any point of his career due to his size and serviceable jab. As I said in my previous post this was NOT an excuse for Bowe's performances but for you to just dismiss the evidence of medical professionals so nonchalantly is just silly. If you think Bowe is inferior to Golota just say so and leave it at that. Also your links really don't help you much. What person with any real sense would publicly admit that he faked brain damage to avoid jail? That just proves that he is clearly touched now. Another point I would like to make is that Bowe is a fighter who clearly wants to fight so of course he is going to say he is okay. There is a story going aroung that he is going to fight Golota in a MMA match! This doesn't reek of a man that needs money and will say whatever in order to fight, but I digress from the true point of my initial post which was that you can't take a doctor's opinion and toss it out as BS so nonchalantly without proof to refute. It is quite clear that Bowe did alot of this to himself by not taking care of himself and I AGREE WITH YOU that Golota would have given him that beating without brain damage but for a different reason probably. By the way....I Am NOT A BOWE NUTHUGGER by any stretch
The doctor's name is Margaret Goodman by the way.