Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
Cus would have trained Tyson how to deal with Wlad's jab when it comes down to what Wlad does it's a very basic style, he's very effective at, nothing flashy at all about it.
But Cus would make Tyson avoid that jab and punish Wladmir to the body, Tyson's head movement and counter punching was very underrated and every time Wladimir reached with that jab his ribs would get punished, that plus Tyson's combination punching once he got inside would have hurt him. Also, Wladimir's love of holding I don't think he'd have faced someone quite as strong as Tyson was on the inside, and his arms would have freed up some body punching with the free hand and as hard as Tyson hit I don't know how much holding he'd want to do.
Tyson would break him down with his body punching, counter punching head movement, all around aggression and speed. I'd say an 8th round knockout for Tyson winning 5 rounds to 2 by the time of the knockout. Tyson's ability to bullrush you while avoiding every punch you were throwing to keep him off was something special to watch. Wladimir just wouldn't have been able to deal with it. Tyson's pace alone would be unlike anything he's had to deal with prior.
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
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Cus would have trained Tyson how to deal with Wlad's jab when it comes down to what Wlad does it's a very basic style, he's very effective at, nothing flashy at all about it.
But Cus would make Tyson avoid that jab and punish Wladmir to the body, Tyson's head movement and counter punching was very underrated and every time Wladimir reached with that jab his ribs would get punished, that plus Tyson's combination punching once he got inside would have hurt him. Also, Wladimir's love of holding I don't think he'd have faced someone quite as strong as Tyson was on the inside, and his arms would have freed up some body punching with the free hand and as hard as Tyson hit I don't know how much holding he'd want to do.
Tyson would break him down with his body punching, counter punching head movement, all around aggression and speed. I'd say an 8th round knockout for Tyson winning 5 rounds to 2 by the time of the knockout. Tyson's ability to bullrush you while avoiding every punch you were throwing to keep him off was something special to watch. Wladimir just wouldn't have been able to deal with it. Tyson's pace alone would be unlike anything he's had to deal with prior.
Wlad doesn't last that long ... Vitali might, but Wlad would be finished within 2 or 3 max
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
The Wlad prior to Manny teaching him how to clinch and lean on would have been killed. Worse then Louis/Carnera. Wlads epiphany style of grappling when threatened may win him the day if he were fighting the same Tyson Douglas did.
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The Wlad prior to Manny teaching him how to clinch and lean on would have been killed. Worse then Louis/Carnera. Wlads epiphany style of grappling when threatened may win him the day if he were fighting the same Tyson Douglas did.
That 8th round uppercut that Douglas took would've smashed Wlad's jaw, broken his neck and leave him convulsing on the canvas
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
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IamInuit
The Wlad prior to Manny teaching him how to clinch and lean on would have been killed. Worse then Louis/Carnera. Wlads epiphany style of grappling when threatened may win him the day if he were fighting the same Tyson Douglas did.
That 8th round uppercut that Douglas took would've smashed Wlad's jaw, broken his neck and leave him convulsing on the canvas
Just giving him the benefit of doubt given that was not a prime Tyson. Long ruined by Don King.
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
El Kabong, you're dead wrong!
Just noticed you were viewing the thread thought I'd save a few people the time ;D
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
Wlad's chin is so bad, I say Tyson probably wobbles him by throwing one of his famous forearms or elbows during the clinches. So Tyson brutally kos him within 3. With Vitali I say it goes the distance but who wins is a different kind of question.
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
The chin is the only issue for Wlad. Other than that, his style is great to go against Tyson. Tyson would more than likely catch Wlad and follow up maybe around 2-5. If Wlad makes it past 5 its his fight to lose.
Tyson doesn't beat Vitali.
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
All this "Tyson was unbeatable with Cus" is bullcrap. Tyson was vulnerable and he would have been battered by plenty of fighters.
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
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El Kabong
All this "Tyson was unbeatable with Cus" is bullcrap. Tyson was vulnerable and he would have been battered by plenty of fighters.
That is true, but one of those fighters ain't Wlad. If someone were to say Vitali has a good chance of beating Tyson, that wouldn't be so laughable. But china chin Wlad? Hell, I say Amir Khan for his own weight class has a better chin than Wlad.
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
Yeah yeah glad you're being reasonable about it
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El Kabong
The chin is the only issue for Wlad. Other than that, his style is great to go against Tyson. Tyson would more than likely catch Wlad and follow up maybe around 2-5. If Wlad makes it past 5 its his fight to lose.
Tyson doesn't beat Vitali.
Vitali couldnt beat an old, shot Lewis who took the fight against him on short notice after Vitali paid Kirk Johnson to let him fight Lewis instead
He nearly gets blinded and has half of his face mauled off against the only ATG (who was practically retired at the time) he faces and he's going to last against Tyson?
Please try and rationally explain how he's going to beat Tyson when pension collecting, retired shot Corrie Sanders nearly had him out in round 1? If Sanders' hand speed bothered him then imagine what his fate would be against Iron Mike? That stupid awkward style of his is exactly what Mike preys on. Tyson was the master at punching at angles ... he would get in range and start pounding his body and Vitali would lean back and back track towards the ropes where he would be at Mike's mercy.
If an athletic, mobile stone chinned Tony Tucker who was far more skilled than Vitali loses a decision against Mike then how would Vitali survive? You need more than just size to beat Mike ... Vitali will either hold and lose a decision or get stopped in the middle rounds. Vitali doesn't have the power to make Tyson earn his respect nor does he have the skill to keep him away.
Vitali couldn't even hit Chris Byrd clean and damaged his shoulder from MISSING. Tyson would put a beat down on him. I see him being finished the same way Bruno was in the second Tyson fight ... getting mauled when trying to hold on for dear life.
Vitali is only a "beast" in Klitschko land, full of fantasies and myths. In reality his record is piss poor, even worst than Wlad's and he never even fought a contender ranked higher than #3. His style of keeping his hands low and chin exposed will spell disaster for his chances against the most accurate, most powerful, explosive boxer to ever live. A lethal, lighting fast combination started with a right hook to the body, left hook to the jaw followed up with another right to the head of Vitali Klitschko would end his night.
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El Kabong
All this "Tyson was unbeatable with Cus" is bullcrap. Tyson was vulnerable and he would have been battered by plenty of fighters.
Please tell me any fight that Tyson looked "vulnerable" from when Cus was around? Or rather I'll extend this to include Rooney.
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
You're a fucking moron. The "Cus style" changed 0 from the days of Floyd Patterson and eventually Tuson would have run into his Sonny Liston. It could have easily been Foreman but all his defeats are chalked up to "He was past his prime".....bullcrap he just finally hit a fighter that stood up to him.
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El Kabong
You're a fucking moron. The "Cus style" changed 0 from the days of Floyd Patterson and eventually Tuson would have run into his Sonny Liston. It could have easily been Foreman but all his defeats are chalked up to "He was past his prime".....bullcrap he just finally hit a fighter that stood up to him.
Yeah fucktard because Berbick, Ruddock, Tucker and all of the others just stood there and let him punch them. Carl Williams fought back and "stood up to him" and we saw what happened to him. This stupid, fanatical idea that Tyson would just crumble if someone would fight back is childlike reasoning. The Douglas fight was the greatest upset in boxing history where the stars aligned and everything went perfect for Douglas and wrong for Tyson. Why do you think Mike was so eager to get a rematch done with him? He knew it was a fluke, an aberration, a stroke of luck. Douglas knew it too but he didn't want the mystique of that fight to be dispelled which is why he never fought him again. Its not the same as Wlad who gets ready to get KTFO every time he gets hit clean.
And Tyson's style was slightly different from Pattersons, and his chin and power combined with his hand speed were far superior.
Wlad is a carbon copy of Lennox Lewis but far more cautious with less in his arsenal of punches. And an even worse chin than Lennox. Lewis could fight at mid range and inside, Wlad is holding on for dear life as soon as someone closes in.
Only retards believe that Mike would lose to old Foreman ... who was out boxed by Holyfield and glass jawed Tommy Morrison. Holyfields attack had him dazed, what's going to happen with a much faster, harder hitting opponent?
Re: Iron Mike Tyson vs. Wladimir Klitschko
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El Kabong
All this "Tyson was unbeatable with Cus" is bullcrap. Tyson was vulnerable and he would have been battered by plenty of fighters.
That is true, but one of those fighters ain't Wlad. If someone were to say Vitali has a good chance of beating Tyson, that wouldn't be so laughable. But china chin Wlad? Hell, I say Amir Khan for his own weight class has a better chin than Wlad.
Amir Khan doesn't get ready to go with every clean shot he is hit by, like Wlad
his whole style is based upon protecting his fragile jaw
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