Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez IV - Saturday night fight/chat thread

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Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

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Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.
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I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

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Could be, but if anyone gets a gift decision it would likely be Marquez. I figure Manny will need to to totally dominate or stop JMM to get the "W" this time.

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That is a very good point. And after Bradley anything is possible. Byrd is one of the judges. There has to be some kind of effect on the judges from the last 3. Must rational humans believe he won at least one of those. Bayless is ok as a ref but can be a little Cortez like with the camera.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

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Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.
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I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

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Could be, but if anyone gets a gift decision it would likely be Marquez. I figure Manny will need to to totally dominate or stop JMM to get the "W" this time.

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If it's close I think Manny gets it.

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Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

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Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.
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I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

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Could be, but if anyone gets a gift decision it would likely be Marquez. I figure Manny will need to to totally dominate or stop JMM to get the "W" this time.

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That is a very good point. And after Bradley anything is possible. Byrd is one of the judges. There has to be some kind of effect on the judges from the last 3. Must rational humans believe he won at least one of those. Bayless is ok as a ref but can be a little Cortez like with the camera.

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If the 3 judges found a way to give Bradley 7 rounds in his fight against Pacquiao, they should easily find a way to give JMM at least that many against Pac. If Pac vs JMM IV is remotely close, Marquez will win this time.
Here's hoping there's a clearly dominant winner Saturday, the "controversy" is getting a little old.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Which guy is taking the best PEDs? That A-side meth doesn't seem to work as well as it used to.

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Yeah, but you're a hardcore fan just like me and you will be watching #IV.
:lyle:

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I'll definitely be watching. I'm looking forward to it. I'm hoping Manny is back to the level he was at a couple of years ago and that Marquez is still fast enough to compete after his recent, uh, gain in musculature. I'm definitely interested to see how new pro-wrestler Marquez does.

I have a feeling that we're going to see a fight that confirms Manny is on the slide and Marquez has his number. And then Manny gets the decision.

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Could be, but if anyone gets a gift decision it would likely be Marquez. I figure Manny will need to to totally dominate or stop JMM to get the "W" this time.

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That is a very good point. And after Bradley anything is possible. Byrd is one of the judges. There has to be some kind of effect on the judges from the last 3. Must rational humans believe he won at least one of those. Bayless is ok as a ref but can be a little Cortez like with the camera.

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If the 3 judges found a way to give Bradley 7 rounds in his fight against Pacquiao, they should easily find a way to give JMM at least that many against Pac. If Pac vs JMM IV is remotely close, Marquez will win this time.
Here's hoping there's a clearly dominant winner Saturday, the "controversy" is getting a little old.

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Lets hope that travesty of justice does not repeat itself. It would be a hollow win for this Marquez fan.

In that posted interview in another thread Marquez looks like a man possessed and Manny looks like Justin Bieber.

Same on the last sentence and ftr I think it will. I think the Marquez obsession pays off in this fight and actually think a chance exists that he stops Manny in some way be it a towel. I think Marquez is going to bring it this time. That is as much as a consummate counter puncher can. Its how Pep beat Saddler.

If Manny spends the whole fight going forward and Marquez spends the whole fight counterpunching and it's a close fight then Manny gets the decision. Marquez will have to do something different to win.

I have a very strong feeling that this fight is going to end in a tko, and I think that Marquez will stop him.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

If Manny spends the whole fight going forward and Marquez spends the whole fight counterpunching and it's a close fight then Manny gets the decision. Marquez will have to do something different to win.

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Hes had 2 chances to do something different and failed each time. I think all he is capable of is timing Pac and countering but nothing more. He cant do anything else so he leaves it in the judges hands. If he tried to go for it more, thats when he walks onto shots and gets floored.

Pac on the other hand is capable of something different but he has been in decline for afew fights in a row now and the last fight is evidence that he cant fight at pace like he use to.

He is still more dangerous that Marquez in exchanges though so he has to have a more explosive attitude this time round. He cant stand off and try to box like he did in the 3rd fight. That was the most lopsided fight in Marquez' favour IMO so Pac has to do what made him famous and let his hands go, fight at pace and be relentless. At almost 40 Marquez is the one who should struggle more in that type of fight

Before his last fight with Manny Pacquiao, JMM had already stopped drinking pee and instead hired the supreme nutritionist in Angel Heredia, in order to quickly transform himself into the menacing welterweight that he is today.

At some point in time, he had stopped trusting the wisdom of the 18 years of prior training for nutrition provided for him by Beristain... he wasn't sure it would be enough to beat Manny and when it comes to beating Pacquiao, he did not want to leave any stones unturned.

Well, last fight, the third install, gave him a better and a more explosive type of battle and he almost won, if you can only discard the official results, the judges scorecards.

He was definitely bigger than when he was the pee-taking JMM version that suffereda 12 round pummeling at the hands of Floyd Mayweather Jr.

What's in his drink nowadays? Well, it is nothing that any testing for PEDs, USADA or otherwise, can and will detect as violative... he is clean!

Let the fight begin then and may the best man win! Article below is purely speculative...

Juan Manuel Marquez's newfound muscle raises questions about PED use - Yahoo! Sports Canada

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I have a very strong feeling that this fight is going to end in a tko, and I think that Marquez will stop him.

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Really Grey? That's something new since Pac has never been stopped, at least not anytime lately. Tell you what my feeling is, JMM has been 'roidin, and may test positive for some shit after the fight, unless of course he's got hold of some slick mexican shit that passes conventional drug testing.

And furthermore, fuck Marquez and all his whining, I hope Pacquiao kicks his ass.

:pimp2: This card starts @9:00 PM ET Saturday night in the States on HBO PPV and @2:00 AM Sunday morning for you lot across the pond. :britain:


At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez, fourth fight, 12 rounds, welterweights; Yuriorkis Gamboa vs. Michael Farenas, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim junior lightweight title; Miguel Vazquez vs. Mercito Gesta, 12 rounds, for Vazquez's IBF lightweight title; Javier Fortuna vs. Patrick Hyland, 12 rounds, for vacant WBA interim featherweight title; Jose Ramirez vs. Corey Siegwarth, 4 rounds, lightweights.

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The guy training Marquez has boasted that he's created twenty undetectable steroids by changing a small part of the chemical structure of existing steroids. With a guy like this who knows what he's doing and works in Mexico where this stuff is legal Marquez could have been juicing for months and not test positive.

The head of the NSAC, Kizer, admits passing their tests is as easy as walking across the road. Vegas don't want to catch anybody, it's bad for business. They especially don't want to start random testing before big fights in case they catch somebody and a multi-million dollar bonanza goes down the toilet.

The recent Thomas Hauser/Montoya articles on PEDs in boxing are very worth reading.

I agree that I believe that the judges would worry about public perception regarding giving Pacquaio the benefit of the doubt in 3 fights in a row, they could perhaps feel obligated that they must give Marquez the close rounds.

That being said I do believe the first fight was a draw, but 2nd Marquez won by 2 and third Marquez won by 3.

If this fight sees the end, expect a decision that defies any fight logic whatsoever but oddly lines up with pocket books. History and all that. Curious to see how Marquez handles the beef though. Could end up tiring earlier then expected. Or just be superjuiced like everyone else in the sport and still throwing punches into the 16th round.

I think Pac's gonna lose this one. I always said here that if Pac goes on charging in, he can knock Juan out anytime and I still do. But look what my bwoy has done instead. After every fight, he goes more on a defensive and retreat mode, avoiding exchange and staying safe. Look at the last fight, he hardly had any mark on his face, unlike the first, and to a lesser extent, the second. He knocked Juan thrice in the 1st fight, once in the 2nd, none in the 3rd. Im pretty sure this trend will continue and he'd be a loser this time. Tsk, tsk... Hey, pass the hankies...

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

I have a very strong feeling that this fight is going to end in a tko, and I think that Marquez will stop him.

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For the sake of sanity and all that's right let's hope it ends in a tko, either way frankly.

I also don't think Marquez hurting Manny is unimaginable and that Manny trying to find his previous attack will run into something. If he approaches Marquez with the pedestrian pace he had with Bradley he will lose!