Let's put this "Junior ruined Martinez" myth to rest once and for all

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I think the fact you started this thread shows its on your mind , and you are trying to reason with yourself , but its all IF'S AND BUT'S .
For me you do seem to give Mexican fighters a bad rap.
Get over it.

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Let's say for the sake of argument that I do give ALL Mexican fighters a bad rap (which I don't).
Still.... let's say I do.

Now I ask... does that in any way change the facts of the JCC Jr - Martinez fight?

Please try and get past who is stating the points, and try to concentrate on the points themselves.

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

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Originally Posted by outspoken

I guess since Puerto Rico aint got shit going so you are just focusing on attacking mexican boxers.

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That's what it's all about.

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No, my mentally-challenged friend. THIS is what it's all about.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

My fucking christ. This is all the more reason to hate this spring insomnia. Whats wrong with this thread and just forget this fucking nonstop Puerto Rican/ Mexican rivalry. Jr did not wreck Martinez! and anyone who tries to suggest it while at the same time shitting on this author for starting this thread is a moron.

Next thing you know I'll be a Mexican hater. Grow the fuck up. The suggestion that Chavez wrecked Martinez is horseshit and I'm not from Puerto Rico. Geography has squat to do with it. He didn't wreck Martinez because of his Murray showing and thinking it is sheer lunacy. And while you are at it throw an extra pinch of salt on those fries.

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Man, oh man! You guys can pick strange subjects to argue about.
I don't think the Chavez fight ruined Martinez but I don't think it helped him either.
Injuries are part of boxing and sometimes they can be ruinous. Giving Chavez credit for the injury is some kind of knee jerk reaction I don't understand.
Boxing, the fight game is what hurt that knee, in my opinion.

Martinez might have ruined himself by not giving himself enough time for his knee to heal properly and rehabilitate it properly before jumping into a fight with another real tough competitor, he only has himself to blame for re-injuring himself and well being out for the rest of the year, pretty black and white

Rematch!!!!

Junior did not ruin Sergio. 1 round would not do that to Martinez. Junior caused the knock down and injury but that does not constitute ruining Sergio. I hope Martinez comes back stronger as he has worked hard to get to where he is at, which is the top of the game.

Sergio has some very interesting challenges at this weight with Kid Chocolate and GGG but he may go for the money fights which may be the rematch with Junior, Alvarez or Floyd. All would be excellent fights.

I'd just like to say please keep it kind of civil since this is the main, open, for all to see forum, if you want to make this into a who's the baddest wetback thread, don't.

Age ruined Martinez

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Originally Posted by 0james0

Age ruined Martinez

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I agree. Sergio has been around the block and pinning his issues on a fight he had in his late thirties does not make sense. As far as anyone getting ruined I think Chavez is ruining Chavez. He seems to approach boxing in a half assed manner. He has built in popularity of his father's fan base. Freddy Roach basically said Chavez is lazy. I think saying Chavez ruined Sergio is giving him too much credit. They are both doing that just fine themselves.

This is just a skirmish in the ongoing battle between @TitoFan and @violentdemise. How an Argentinian can be brought into a fight betweens fans of Mexican and Puerto Rican boxers, I have no idea.

Junior didn't ruin anything. Martinez is 38 years old! He's been a professional boxer for something like 15 years. Martinez was at his best below middleweight. Did he look unbeatable in the Barker and Macklin fights? I'll answer that: no, he didn't. Don't forget Junior's team wouldn't face Martinez for years. What did Junior do to ruin him anyway? Put his head in front of his left hand to be hit? I don't get it. Is his punch resistance worse for wear since the Junior fight? Since he's been at middleweight, he's been down against Macklin and Barker. He was also stopped by Margarito in 2002!

By the way, as far as the drug testing goes, Junior said no to drug tests, and he had power in that negotiation. Martinez took the terms as suggested by Junior. In their next fight, if it happens, which I see no need for (as a boxing fan, I'd rather see a fight with Geale or Golovkin), Martinez has publicly stated Junior must take tests. Is Junior willing to comply?

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

I'd just like to say please keep it kind of civil since this is the main, open, for all to see forum, if you want to make this into a who's the baddest wetback thread, don't.

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You really think us men will let ourselves be ordered around by a woman? C'mon guys, lets start a riot! ;D

Too bad I didn't make this into a poll.
It'd be about 100-3 so far.