Re: Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article
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Boxer4life
let me just put it this way, you cant play football or do entertainment wrestling your whole life and then become a champ in boxing.
I do agree that a boxer has a better chance of success in MMA than the other way around because at least the boxer has mastered one of the arts coming in. But Brock Lesnar was not merely an entertainment wrestler. He was an actual superb REAL wrestler. He was an All American every year in juco then D1. He also was a D1 national champ. When Brock went to Minnesota his size and demeanor made him the scariest thing in the sport. He had a lot of his opponents terrified. His striking is terrible but wrestling is the best base for MMA so therefore he actually had the best base for MMA mastered before he even had a match. Dana won't admit it but the UFC gave Brock a title shot because of the star power he brought. Brock took UFC out of mediocrity whether they admit it or not. He never earned it(was only 2-1) and fittingly it was against a much smaller, old, and lesser skilled wrestler in Coutre. It would be like them wanting to give Klitschko a title and having him fight Mark Hunt. Klitschko would almost certainly be the UFC champ if he was given that match up. But he'd have to defend his title against versatile fighters and then would eventually get exposed on the ground like Brock got ran out of the sport for his lack of striking. The sports are really not comparable in this aspect. Boxing is a specialist sport and MMA is a versatility sport. By the way, if Anderson Silva tried to box that way against Roy it will be another sad quick ending for him. Even at Roy's deterioration he will outbox and probably KO Silva at some point in the fight. I really think Silva is only doing it for the million dollar payday that top boxers frequently get and UFC fighters get screwed out of.
Re: Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
Y! SPORTS
Silva (mma's equivalent to Roy Jones) was recently KO'd in a shocker of an upset.
Incidentally, before he was KO'd Silva was discussing a boxing match against one Roy Jones.
I feared Silva could beat Roy even in a boxing match or make it humiliatingly close due to Roy being totally shot and so merciful in recent years as to let anyone go the distance with him.
IF they do indeed box maybe Roy will be inspired by the recent KO loss of Silva and put some mustard on his shots.
*please don't be cocks and bury this in the mma section as it very much pertains to boxing, thanks*
Pretty clear what you meant.
Listen my agitating perpetual juvenile delinquent friend, the opportune word there was COULD, not WOULD.
Now go troll someone else.
Re: Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
Y! SPORTS
Silva (mma's equivalent to Roy Jones) was recently KO'd in a shocker of an upset.
Incidentally, before he was KO'd Silva was discussing a boxing match against one Roy Jones.
I feared Silva could beat Roy even in a boxing match or make it humiliatingly close due to Roy being totally shot and so merciful in recent years as to let anyone go the distance with him.
IF they do indeed box maybe Roy will be inspired by the recent KO loss of Silva and put some mustard on his shots.
*please don't be cocks and bury this in the mma section as it very much pertains to boxing, thanks*
Pretty clear what you meant.
Listen my agitating perpetual juvenile delinquent friend, the opportune word there was COULD, not WOULD.
Now go troll someone else.
Could, would doesn't matter. That type of thinking is just moronic. It's that simple. No need to get all offended. You are the one who said it.
Re: Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article
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Originally Posted by
jehoshaphat
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Originally Posted by
Boxer4life
let me just put it this way, you cant play football or do entertainment wrestling your whole life and then become a champ in boxing.
I do agree that a boxer has a better chance of success in MMA than the other way around because at least the boxer has mastered one of the arts coming in. But Brock Lesnar was not merely an entertainment wrestler. He was an actual superb REAL wrestler. He was an All American every year in juco then D1. He also was a D1 national champ. When Brock went to Minnesota his size and demeanor made him the scariest thing in the sport. He had a lot of his opponents terrified. His striking is terrible but wrestling is the best base for MMA so therefore he actually had the best base for MMA mastered before he even had a match. Dana won't admit it but the UFC gave Brock a title shot because of the star power he brought. Brock took UFC out of mediocrity whether they admit it or not. He never earned it(was only 2-1) and fittingly it was against a much smaller, old, and lesser skilled wrestler in Coutre. It would be like them wanting to give Klitschko a title and having him fight Mark Hunt. Klitschko would almost certainly be the UFC champ if he was given that match up. But he'd have to defend his title against versatile fighters and then would eventually get exposed on the ground like Brock got ran out of the sport for his lack of striking. The sports are really not comparable in this aspect. Boxing is a specialist sport and MMA is a versatility sport. By the way, if Anderson Silva tried to box that way against Roy it will be another sad quick ending for him. Even at Roy's deterioration he will outbox and probably KO Silva at some point in the fight. I really think Silva is only doing it for the million dollar payday that top boxers frequently get and UFC fighters get screwed out of.
Thats a good point, he was a tremendous wrestler, buut i wasn't talking about just him, there were others who've found success in mma and not have a strong fighting background. Being super strong helps alot inthe cage, in boxing not so much, even kimbo who has great hands for the mma, looks like a joke in the ring, almost got knocked out his last fight. Btw did you know both Klitchkos have a wrestling background, and Vitali has a kick boxing background, i would actually love to see them in the cage, although id be worried about the safety of any strikers they face.
Re: Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
Y! SPORTS
Silva (mma's equivalent to Roy Jones) was recently KO'd in a shocker of an upset.
Incidentally, before he was KO'd Silva was discussing a boxing match against one Roy Jones.
I feared Silva could beat Roy even in a boxing match or make it humiliatingly close due to Roy being totally shot and so merciful in recent years as to let anyone go the distance with him.
IF they do indeed box maybe Roy will be inspired by the recent KO loss of Silva and put some mustard on his shots.
*please don't be cocks and bury this in the mma section as it very much pertains to boxing, thanks*
Pretty clear what you meant.
Listen my agitating perpetual juvenile delinquent friend, the opportune word there was COULD, not WOULD.
Now go troll someone else.
Could, would doesn't matter. That type of thinking is just moronic. It's that simple. No need to get all offended. You are the one who said it.
Your thinking is moronic that mma guys can't box at all and your ignorant bashing of mma.
Come down to our gym and try to outbox the #3 UFC bantamweight in the world, Michael McDonald.
You'll have to have your Mommy or Daddy sign a waiver though first.
Re: Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article
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Originally Posted by
Boxer4life
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Originally Posted by
jehoshaphat
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Originally Posted by
Boxer4life
let me just put it this way, you cant play football or do entertainment wrestling your whole life and then become a champ in boxing.
I do agree that a boxer has a better chance of success in MMA than the other way around because at least the boxer has mastered one of the arts coming in. But Brock Lesnar was not merely an entertainment wrestler. He was an actual superb REAL wrestler. He was an All American every year in juco then D1. He also was a D1 national champ. When Brock went to Minnesota his size and demeanor made him the scariest thing in the sport. He had a lot of his opponents terrified. His striking is terrible but wrestling is the best base for MMA so therefore he actually had the best base for MMA mastered before he even had a match. Dana won't admit it but the UFC gave Brock a title shot because of the star power he brought. Brock took UFC out of mediocrity whether they admit it or not. He never earned it(was only 2-1) and fittingly it was against a much smaller, old, and lesser skilled wrestler in Coutre. It would be like them wanting to give Klitschko a title and having him fight Mark Hunt. Klitschko would almost certainly be the UFC champ if he was given that match up. But he'd have to defend his title against versatile fighters and then would eventually get exposed on the ground like Brock got ran out of the sport for his lack of striking. The sports are really not comparable in this aspect. Boxing is a specialist sport and MMA is a versatility sport. By the way, if Anderson Silva tried to box that way against Roy it will be another sad quick ending for him. Even at Roy's deterioration he will outbox and probably KO Silva at some point in the fight. I really think Silva is only doing it for the million dollar payday that top boxers frequently get and UFC fighters get screwed out of.
Thats a good point, he was a tremendous wrestler, buut i wasn't talking about just him, there were others who've found success in mma and not have a strong fighting background. Being super strong helps alot inthe cage, in boxing not so much, even kimbo who has great hands for the mma, looks like a joke in the ring, almost got knocked out his last fight. Btw did you know both Klitchkos have a wrestling background, and Vitali has a kick boxing background, i would actually love to see them in the cage, although id be worried about the safety of any strikers they face.
I guess it depends on what you consider success. In boxing this Mr. Slice fellow, lesser known as Kevin Ferguson, almost got knocked out but in MMA he did get knocked out...twice in like his 6 fights. Once standing and once on the ground. Kimbo was a freak/sideshow in MMA as he is in boxing KOing bums on bum television. Kimbo's success was his drawing power gained from his following on his youtube backyard fights. He was put on TUF for his draw power and then lost his first match. Kimbo drew the most views TUF ever had at the time. Dana knew Kimbo didn't belong just as James Toney didn't but he used them as a drawing sideshow. Boxing doesn't afford fighters such routes. I know some boxing fans still don't want to give MMA their props but it has turned the evolutionary corner and you can't just come into that sport like you could in the 90s.
Anyway, I did not know the Klitschkos had a wrestling background. Are you sure? What kind of background? I knew of Vitali's kickboxing that is very well known. He was world class. But I'd be interested to know of what kind of wrestling experience either one of them had. Are you pulling my leg? And don't tell me Wladimir's background is he wrestled like 2 matches as JV in 10th grade. :cool: Or this one time...in band camp.:p
Re: Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
Y! SPORTS
Silva (mma's equivalent to Roy Jones) was recently KO'd in a shocker of an upset.
Incidentally, before he was KO'd Silva was discussing a boxing match against one Roy Jones.
I feared Silva could beat Roy even in a boxing match or make it humiliatingly close due to Roy being totally shot and so merciful in recent years as to let anyone go the distance with him.
IF they do indeed box maybe Roy will be inspired by the recent KO loss of Silva and put some mustard on his shots.
*please don't be cocks and bury this in the mma section as it very much pertains to boxing, thanks*
Pretty clear what you meant.
Listen my agitating perpetual juvenile delinquent friend, the opportune word there was COULD, not WOULD.
Now go troll someone else.
Could, would doesn't matter. That type of thinking is just moronic. It's that simple. No need to get all offended. You are the one who said it.
Your thinking is moronic that mma guys can't box at all and your ignorant bashing of mma.
Come down to our gym and try to outbox the #3 UFC bantamweight in the world, Michael McDonald.
You'll have to have your Mommy or Daddy sign a waiver though first.
I never said they couldn't box. I said no active or inactive MMA fighter would be able to beat Roy Jones in a boxing match. Not even this current shot Roy Jones. And they wouldn't be able to beat Pawel Glazewski either. That's the Polish kid. I'm sure McDonald whips everybody in your gym. And I'm sure he has you believing he could destroy Nonito Donaire if he really wanted to. But in reality it's not true. Destroying you and your buddies might make him a superstar in your gym. But he gets massacred in a pro ring against a pro boxer. It's the reason he's an MMA fighter
Re: Great Roy Jones Jr./Anderson Silva article
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Hulk
Y! SPORTS
Silva (mma's equivalent to Roy Jones) was recently KO'd in a shocker of an upset.
Incidentally, before he was KO'd Silva was discussing a boxing match against one Roy Jones.
I feared Silva could beat Roy even in a boxing match or make it humiliatingly close due to Roy being totally shot and so merciful in recent years as to let anyone go the distance with him.
IF they do indeed box maybe Roy will be inspired by the recent KO loss of Silva and put some mustard on his shots.
*please don't be cocks and bury this in the mma section as it very much pertains to boxing, thanks*
Pretty clear what you meant.
Listen my agitating perpetual juvenile delinquent friend, the opportune word there was COULD, not WOULD.
Now go troll someone else.
Could, would doesn't matter. That type of thinking is just moronic. It's that simple. No need to get all offended. You are the one who said it.
Your thinking is moronic that mma guys can't box at all and your ignorant bashing of mma.
Come down to our gym and try to outbox the #3 UFC bantamweight in the world, Michael McDonald.
You'll have to have your Mommy or Daddy sign a waiver though first.
I never said they couldn't box. I said no active or inactive MMA fighter would be able to beat Roy Jones in a boxing match. Not even this current shot Roy Jones. And they wouldn't be able to beat Pawel Glazewski either. That's the Polish kid. I'm sure McDonald whips everybody in your gym. And I'm sure he has you believing he could destroy Nonito Donaire if he really wanted to. But in reality it's not true. Destroying you and your buddies might make him a superstar in your gym. But he gets massacred in a pro ring against a pro boxer. It's the reason he's an MMA fighter
I worry about this shot Roy Jones is my point. I've lost a lot of faith in him. You may not be concerned Anderson could KO him, but I am.
No, I'm not crazy about the guy and don't know him that well. Sparred him a few years ago and got my ass whipped not dropped or hurt but bested, but I by no means think he could beat Donaire, even if he would have a size advantage seein as he fights at 135 (that's mma bantamweight).
