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Whos naive chief? Of course it was done on purpose and its becoming a regular event. Guys KNOW they can toss short term money at it and ensure more of a long term payoff. The practice is the win is more important than the money. It's just the point of arrogance when a kid who is basically a filler fight is pulling that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
That is a real good point and angle and one cant be blind to the fact that this shit is far to easy to pull these days and that's kind of Houstons point. Its unprofessional and Rodriguez probably knew the show would go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhos naive chief? Of course it was done on purpose and its becoming a regular event. Guys KNOW they can toss short term money at it and ensure more of a long term payoff. The practice is the win is more important than the money. It's just the point of arrogance when a kid who is basically a filler fight is pulling that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Well im glad someone isnt following on Wards terms. Yes I realise hes also not following the rules set in boxing but it has gone on so many times before its almost routine now.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThat is a real good point and angle and one cant be blind to the fact that this shit is far to easy to pull these days and that's kind of Houstons point. Its unprofessional and Rodriguez probably knew the show would go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhos naive chief? Of course it was done on purpose and its becoming a regular event. Guys KNOW they can toss short term money at it and ensure more of a long term payoff. The practice is the win is more important than the money. It's just the point of arrogance when a kid who is basically a filler fight is pulling that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Rodriguez team have taken a calculated risk. Less money, no title but a possible win over a top name. Out of all the fighters out there Ward deserves this sort of shit the most. Never travelling, never fighting a clean fight and then to top it all refusing tests.
Rodriguez isnt anything special anyway but at least hes better than a ratired alcoholic that Ward wanted to fight.
Rules are rules and he should be penalized for it as should anyone who comes in heavy. At this level any edge can determine the victory. Everybody who thinks Ward should have taken the additional PED test should just as well be mad that Rodriguez didn't come in at the right weight. At this level it should be mandatory to take additional PED testing and punished if you don't come in at the right weight. But to the fight...I think people are writing Rodriguez off too soon. He now has established a weight advantage, he can punch, and I think he'll go under on Ward. Rodriguez should load up on hooks and straight rights to get Ward comfortable in his normal technical crouching mode and then start going under with power uppercuts. If I had to bet I think Ward would still figure Rodriguez out but I really think Rodriguez is going to make it really interesting.
i feel like there are certain people who will always have something to complain about. i dont mind if somebody doesnt like a specific fighter for whatever reason but to complain about ward as a fighter is ridiculous. if it isnt a lack of good competition, its being boring. if its not about being boring, its about controversial tactics. if its not about that, its about home field advantage.
ward is and has been fighting the best for years now. that is a very rare thing in boxing now and people are still complaining. its as if the only way to be liked is to make sure that even if you are the best, you try to put yourself at the biggest disadvantage in every aspect and make sure you make little money.
Does Rodriguez and his camp have to be 'Super Criminals', with plans to snatch Wards crown and then take over all of boxing. Is it possible that Edwin just could not make weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThat is a real good point and angle and one cant be blind to the fact that this shit is far to easy to pull these days and that's kind of Houstons point. Its unprofessional and Rodriguez probably knew the show would go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhos naive chief? Of course it was done on purpose and its becoming a regular event. Guys KNOW they can toss short term money at it and ensure more of a long term payoff. The practice is the win is more important than the money. It's just the point of arrogance when a kid who is basically a filler fight is pulling that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Rodriguez would have been much, much better off if he had made weight, kept the 200 grand in his camp and tried to give Ward the fight of his life.
Now, you guys have me feeling sorry for the guy. He had this great opportunity to make a decent showing against a p4p fighter, but the whole thing is looking like a giant cluster fuck because he couldn't make weight. He is being fined and a bunch of boxing fans are pushing the line that the whole thing is some kind plot to gain, WHAT?
I think either is a possibility, only Rodriguez knows whether he planned this or not. It's definitely possible that he decided not cutting weight would give him a much better chance to win, if he is confident of doing so then the fine certainly wouldn't outweigh what he would gain. On the other hand 200 grand is a hell of a lot of money for 2 pounds, as I said only he knows how tough it would have been to make the weight. I don't give him much chance at all anyways, this guy is way way to crude for Ward, it won't even be competitive imo.
I have no idea. Maybe he was deciding whether to go to 175 or not and then got this fight and fell into some kind of weight vortex. I mean how do you not make weight for the chance of glory, your first 7 figure payday and a chance at many more? Of all the fights to pull a major fail???Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedDoes Rodriguez and his camp have to be 'Super Criminals', with plans to snatch Wards crown and then take over all of boxing. Is it possible that Edwin just could not make weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThat is a real good point and angle and one cant be blind to the fact that this shit is far to easy to pull these days and that's kind of Houstons point. Its unprofessional and Rodriguez probably knew the show would go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhos naive chief? Of course it was done on purpose and its becoming a regular event. Guys KNOW they can toss short term money at it and ensure more of a long term payoff. The practice is the win is more important than the money. It's just the point of arrogance when a kid who is basically a filler fight is pulling that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Rodriguez would have been much, much better off if he had made weight, kept the 200 grand in his camp and tried to give Ward the fight of his life.
Now, you guys have me feeling sorry for the guy. He had this great opportunity to make a decent showing against a p4p fighter, but the whole thing is looking like a giant cluster fuck because he couldn't make weight. He is being fined and a bunch of boxing fans are pushing the line that the whole thing is some kind plot to gain, WHAT?
I don't buy at all he 'couldn't' make the weight. There is will, and there is won't. Won't is winning with ALOT of HBO guys lately. Rodriquez had an obligation to meet a contract and chanced not just a payday but the network that gave him the oppurtunity and fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI have no idea. Maybe he was deciding whether to go to 175 or not and then got this fight and fell into some kind of weight vortex. I mean how do you not make weight for the chance of glory, your first 7 figure payday and a chance at many more? Of all the fights to pull a major fail???Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedDoes Rodriguez and his camp have to be 'Super Criminals', with plans to snatch Wards crown and then take over all of boxing. Is it possible that Edwin just could not make weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThat is a real good point and angle and one cant be blind to the fact that this shit is far to easy to pull these days and that's kind of Houstons point. Its unprofessional and Rodriguez probably knew the show would go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhos naive chief? Of course it was done on purpose and its becoming a regular event. Guys KNOW they can toss short term money at it and ensure more of a long term payoff. The practice is the win is more important than the money. It's just the point of arrogance when a kid who is basically a filler fight is pulling that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Rodriguez would have been much, much better off if he had made weight, kept the 200 grand in his camp and tried to give Ward the fight of his life.
Now, you guys have me feeling sorry for the guy. He had this great opportunity to make a decent showing against a p4p fighter, but the whole thing is looking like a giant cluster fuck because he couldn't make weight. He is being fined and a bunch of boxing fans are pushing the line that the whole thing is some kind plot to gain, WHAT?
His fight with Escalara over a year ago on hbo...he fattened up 21 lbs in 24 hrs time. He came in heavy with Don George...and his last fight was held at catchweight, flirting with lt heavy. The kid knew what direction his body was going and just how hard he'd work to manage it way before lastnight. He saw the payday, he calcualted it giving the showcase, and now he's having it both ways. There was a patteren. I hope Ward pounds him like a railroad spike if I'm honest. He may have threw the vada bs as a swerve in the first place.
That's definitely fair, if he's had trouble making weight before then this was probably calculated.
Well exactly. I dont like Ward but that has nothing to do with what Rodriguez did here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI don't buy at all he 'couldn't' make the weight. There is will, and there is won't. Won't is winning with ALOT of HBO guys lately. Rodriquez had an obligation to meet a contract and chanced not just a payday but the network that gave him the oppurtunity and fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI have no idea. Maybe he was deciding whether to go to 175 or not and then got this fight and fell into some kind of weight vortex. I mean how do you not make weight for the chance of glory, your first 7 figure payday and a chance at many more? Of all the fights to pull a major fail???Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedDoes Rodriguez and his camp have to be 'Super Criminals', with plans to snatch Wards crown and then take over all of boxing. Is it possible that Edwin just could not make weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitThat is a real good point and angle and one cant be blind to the fact that this shit is far to easy to pull these days and that's kind of Houstons point. Its unprofessional and Rodriguez probably knew the show would go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhos naive chief? Of course it was done on purpose and its becoming a regular event. Guys KNOW they can toss short term money at it and ensure more of a long term payoff. The practice is the win is more important than the money. It's just the point of arrogance when a kid who is basically a filler fight is pulling that crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Rodriguez would have been much, much better off if he had made weight, kept the 200 grand in his camp and tried to give Ward the fight of his life.
Now, you guys have me feeling sorry for the guy. He had this great opportunity to make a decent showing against a p4p fighter, but the whole thing is looking like a giant cluster fuck because he couldn't make weight. He is being fined and a bunch of boxing fans are pushing the line that the whole thing is some kind plot to gain, WHAT?
His fight with Escalara over a year ago on hbo...he fattened up 21 lbs in 24 hrs time. He came in heavy with Don George...and his last fight was held at catchweight, flirting with lt heavy. The kid knew what direction his body was going and just how hard he'd work to manage it way before lastnight. He saw the payday, he calcualted it giving the showcase, and now he's having it both ways. There was a patteren. I hope Ward pounds him like a railroad spike if I'm honest. He may have threw the vada bs as a swerve in the first place.
I mean, they know the network will carry the fight on. Its one thing for the mass names to do the throw money at it thing...Mayweather, Castillo, Broner on and on...but here??? Hbo had another kid who came in 20 lbs over, pretty much stunk it out with a draw...Jonathan Gonzalez... and he blew it as Lampley mentioned it on air later telecast, called out the "unprofessionalism"...his next 'oppurtunity' he was sent packing back to FNF saying "I'm serious this time" ffs. Hbo looked like fools.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking