Can Maidana stand up to a prime Margarito ?

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

margarito was as good as soto karrass. they have the same style. plodders that are super slow but have a good punch and good chin. margo doesnt know how to use angles. and just like when maidana fought soto karrass, i think that margo has his moments but maidanas speed and power will get to him eventually. margo was and always has been highly overrated.

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I look at Soto Karass as a poor mans version of Margarito. Antonio had a far better chin, more strength, athleticism and punching power as well.

Maidana did great in beating Broner and he is a hell of a fighter. However, lets not get carried away and pretend he's a true welterweight who could have beaten Margarito, Cotto, Mosley of a few years ago.

Would've been a great fight. I'd back Margarito to stop him. As has been said - he's naturally bigger and IMO tougher and he's fought much stronger fighters than Maidana.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

That depends. Are we talking Margarito with or without Plaster of Paris in his gloves?

As far as I'm concerned, that cheating cunt's whole career is in question.

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I feel the same way.

im not saying that maidana is great by any means, im saying that margarito isnt great by any means either. who has margo beaten in his entire career that was any good? cotto and thats it. thats why it was such a big upset because cotto was seen as way better and margo had to use plaster to win. other than cotto, his best win was probably clottey and he only won that fight because clottey hurt his hand early in the fight because clottey was easily beating him before that. he has lost anytime that he has stepped up.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

im not saying that maidana is great by any means, im saying that margarito isnt great by any means either. who has margo beaten in his entire career that was any good? cotto and thats it. thats why it was such a big upset because cotto was seen as way better and margo had to use plaster to win. other than cotto, his best win was probably clottey and he only won that fight because clottey hurt his hand early in the fight because clottey was easily beating him before that. he has lost anytime that he has stepped up.

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Joshua Clottey and an undefeated Kermit Cintron spring to mind. Clottey lost just like he did against Cotto because he couldn't dig as deep in the later rounds as Margarito n Cotto could.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

im not saying that maidana is great by any means, im saying that margarito isnt great by any means either. who has margo beaten in his entire career that was any good? cotto and thats it. thats why it was such a big upset because cotto was seen as way better and margo had to use plaster to win. other than cotto, his best win was probably clottey and he only won that fight because clottey hurt his hand early in the fight because clottey was easily beating him before that. he has lost anytime that he has stepped up.

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Honest question.. How long have you been into boxing?

Nobody who beat Margarito wouldn't have chopped down Maidana as well imo, if you want to spin it that way. The Paul Williams fight was another good showing for both, those guys were both huge welterweights who would have just dwarfed Marcos.

I remember thinking Clottey definitely did hurt his hand against Margo, he was hitting him with some peaches early and stopped throwing pretty abruptly. Of course he might have gone on to pull his whole earmuffs routine and lost anyways, I can't remember the rounds very well. Funny to think that Margarito beat Martinez all those years ago as well, I wonder if Sergio was any good at that point.

Fuckin tired of these dudes talking about plaster. Some ignorant shit..

Simply put, Cotto couldnt take as much as he dished out which was why he lost.. he shot his load early and didnt have the punch resistance and the stamina to maintain his workrate late in the fight. That's why he submitted on his knees..

It was Margarito's granite chin, stamina, and relentlessness that drove him to victory.. Punching power didnt have shit to do with it..

When you are fatigued as Cotto was, every punch fuckin hurts... you dont have to have devastating punching power to hurt a fatigued opponent..

Maidana beating a prime Margarito is one of the silliest shit ive heard in a while..

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

im not saying that maidana is great by any means, im saying that margarito isnt great by any means either. who has margo beaten in his entire career that was any good? cotto and thats it. thats why it was such a big upset because cotto was seen as way better and margo had to use plaster to win. other than cotto, his best win was probably clottey and he only won that fight because clottey hurt his hand early in the fight because clottey was easily beating him before that. he has lost anytime that he has stepped up.

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Honest question.. How long have you been into boxing?

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long enough that i have seen a lot of margo fights and long enough that ive known that he has been overrated for a very long time.

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

Fuckin tired of these dudes talking about plaster. Some ignorant shit..

Simply put, Cotto couldnt take as much as he dished out which was why he lost.. he shot his load early and didnt have the punch resistance and the stamina to maintain his workrate late in the fight. That's why he submitted on his knees..

It was Margarito's granite chin, stamina, and relentlessness that drove him to victory.. Punching power didnt have shit to do with it..

When you are fatigued as Cotto was, every punch fuckin hurts... you dont have to have devastating punching power to hurt a fatigued opponent..

Maidana beating a prime Margarito is one of the silliest shit ive heard in a while..

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i will admit that margos style was a bad match up for cotto because we had seen him get hurt again and again in previous fights. its not like it was some new revelation that cotto could be hurt. but i cant assume that margo wasnt cheating in that fight even if he wasnt. anyways, why would you make this thread? were you hoping for people to say that maidana would win so that you could call us stupid?

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Nobody who beat Margarito wouldn't have chopped down Maidana as well imo, if you want to spin it that way. The Paul Williams fight was another good showing for both, those guys were both huge welterweights who would have just dwarfed Marcos.

I remember thinking Clottey definitely did hurt his hand against Margo, he was hitting him with some peaches early and stopped throwing pretty abruptly. Of course he might have gone on to pull his whole earmuffs routine and lost anyways, I can't remember the rounds very well. Funny to think that Margarito beat Martinez all those years ago as well, I wonder if Sergio was any good at that point.

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i agree. thats why i said that maidana isnt great but neither is margo. both fighters are just determined and dont stop unless they have to. both have shown many vulnerabilities in the ring but margo has shown that he can overcome somebody trying to overpower him with his speed while margo has shown that he cant overcome somebody with speed. and whether or not maidana uses his speed effectively, i think that his speed would be the deciding factor in the fight?

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Originally Posted by Hulk

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

im not saying that maidana is great by any means, im saying that margarito isnt great by any means either. who has margo beaten in his entire career that was any good? cotto and thats it. thats why it was such a big upset because cotto was seen as way better and margo had to use plaster to win. other than cotto, his best win was probably clottey and he only won that fight because clottey hurt his hand early in the fight because clottey was easily beating him before that. he has lost anytime that he has stepped up.

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Joshua Clottey and an undefeated Kermit Cintron spring to mind. Clottey lost just like he did against Cotto because he couldn't dig as deep in the later rounds as Margarito n Cotto could.

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cintron wasnt good. it happens all the time. an up and coming fighter that is highly publicized gets more credit than they deserve. the cintron win was an alright win. and for the record, i thought that clottey beat cotto but that fight was not at all like the margo fight. clottey clearly hurt his hand.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

That depends. Are we talking Margarito with or without Plaster of Paris in his gloves?

As far as I'm concerned, that cheating cunt's whole career is in question.

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Amen.

I see a 12 round war... all the way... Maidana via decision. A close decision.