Re: GGGs trainer says "he's not ready"
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Excuse me, I always switch up Macklin and Murray, darn MM names :-/.
Comparing Floyd who fought multiple champions at 130, a champ at 135, a champ at 140, multiple champions at 147 and multiple champions at 154 to a guy who as of yet has fought no big fights makes no sense.
You say Floyd should move up AGAIN for ANOTHER big fight. GGG hasn't moved up once, there is a very clear difference and I can't figure out why tbis guy keeps getting excused. He's done NOTHING. I want to see him be the fighter I said he could be but so far I'm embarrassed I said he was the best at 160 years ago.
He is 32 years old and needs to get out of that wasteland of a division and go make a big fight, his first big fight
I disagree with this post. GGG has fought the best possible middleweights out there. Has he turned down a fight at 160? Not that I'm aware of. There are still plenty of good fights for him at 160 including Martinez, Murray, Geale and Sturm (Quillin doesn't count because he's on the other side of the street with networks and promoters). He has not cleaned out the division. In my opinion, he should clean out the division before he moves up. If there comes a point in time, maybe one year from now, where Martinez has retired without facing him, and Murray, Geale and Sturm continue to refuse to face him, then let's reconsider him moving up. At this point though, it's premature.
This is in stark contrast to Ward who has cleaned out the division. Ward should consider moving up in weight now because he's beat everyone at his weight. What else is there left to prove at 168 for Ward? Nothing in my opinion.
I wonder if Ward has the balls to come down in weight to challenge GGG the way Dawson came down for him. If Ward did that and won he would get a lot of credit I think and would earn a small legion of fans that are on the GGG train.
That's actually a decent point. Would Ward do the fight at 160? Have they spoken about fighting at middleweight?
Ward strikes me as the type that wouldn't give any advantage to anyone, I like Ward as a person and he is a great fighter but he doesn't have that blind hunger to be #1 at all costs.
Re: GGGs trainer says "he's not ready"
I think theres no point in GGG moving up yet if he can easily make the weight. Theres still decent fights to be made at 160 for him like Martinez, Quillen, Murray and Sturm. If he can beat all of these fighters he should move up then. As his trainer said it will give him a bigger bargaining tool with Ward and will bring the fight on an even level, not Ward demanding more with his higher p4p ranking. GGG needs to fight the best in the weight class now, I cant see Adama lasting too long with him and this kind of fight does nothing but add another KO onto his record. I hope GGG steps it up the fight after this one.
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Shaw: HBO Took a Pass on Golovkin-Geale Fight - Boxing News
Apparently Geale turned down the monte carlo date with GGG because he wanted them to fight on HBO. GGG has an april date with HBO but HBO have passed on a GGG-Geale showdown and apparently James Kirkland is going to fight GGG. I think GGG-Geale is a better match than a Kirkland one, but no doubt GGG-Kirkland would be fireworks whilst it lasted.
Re: GGGs trainer says "he's not ready"
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Shaw: HBO Took a Pass on Golovkin-Geale Fight - Boxing News
Apparently Geale turned down the monte carlo date with GGG because he wanted them to fight on HBO. GGG has an april date with HBO but HBO have passed on a GGG-Geale showdown and apparently James Kirkland is going to fight GGG. I think GGG-Geale is a better match than a Kirkland one, but no doubt GGG-Kirkland would be fireworks whilst it lasted.
Kudos to Hbo! I mean do we really need to see GGG aginst another B level opponent in geale at this point?
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Shaw: HBO Took a Pass on Golovkin-Geale Fight - Boxing News
Apparently Geale turned down the monte carlo date with GGG because he wanted them to fight on HBO. GGG has an april date with HBO but HBO have passed on a GGG-Geale showdown and apparently James Kirkland is going to fight GGG. I think GGG-Geale is a better match than a Kirkland one, but no doubt GGG-Kirkland would be fireworks whilst it lasted.
Kudos to Hbo! I mean do we really need to see GGG aginst another B level opponent in geale at this point?
Looking at who GGG has faced id say Geale would be top of the list if they did fight. I think Geale would outbox Macklin.
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Geale is quite a bit better than Kirkland, but neither would have much of a chance against Golovkin imo. People often say "it will be fireworks while it lasts", to describe a mismatch between two action fighters. Would it really be that riveting to see Golovkin beat the hell out of Kirkland just because both have aggressive styles? They are a completely different level of fighter, and I don't think Kirkland has ever fought at 160 to boot.
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Shaw: HBO Took a Pass on Golovkin-Geale Fight - Boxing News
Apparently Geale turned down the monte carlo date with GGG because he wanted them to fight on HBO. GGG has an april date with HBO but HBO have passed on a GGG-Geale showdown and apparently James Kirkland is going to fight GGG. I think GGG-Geale is a better match than a Kirkland one, but no doubt GGG-Kirkland would be fireworks whilst it lasted.
Kudos to Hbo! I mean do we really need to see GGG aginst another B level opponent in geale at this point?
Looking at who GGG has faced id say Geale would be top of the list if they did fight.
I think Geale would outbox Macklin.
I agree with that but I dont think Geale is so much better than GGG's past victims. I pretty much put them in the same bracket.
This can't be seen as a step up fight for GGG, that's for sure.
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Geale is quite a bit better than Kirkland, but neither would have much of a chance against Golovkin imo. People often say "it will be fireworks while it lasts", to describe a mismatch between two action fighters. Would it really be that riveting to see Golovkin beat the hell out of Kirkland just because both have aggressive styles? They are a completely different level of fighter, and I don't think Kirkland has ever fought at 160 to boot.
Kirkland wouldn't take a backwards step and would land a few heavy shots I think. But his aggression would no doubt be his demise as well and he would walk onto shots. But it would be good whilst it lasted.
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Shaw: HBO Took a Pass on Golovkin-Geale Fight - Boxing News
Apparently Geale turned down the monte carlo date with GGG because he wanted them to fight on HBO. GGG has an april date with HBO but HBO have passed on a GGG-Geale showdown and apparently James Kirkland is going to fight GGG. I think GGG-Geale is a better match than a Kirkland one, but no doubt GGG-Kirkland would be fireworks whilst it lasted.
Kudos to Hbo! I mean do we really need to see GGG aginst another B level opponent in geale at this point?
Looking at who GGG has faced id say Geale would be top of the list if they did fight.
I think Geale would outbox Macklin.
I agree with that but I dont think Geale is so much better than GGG's past victims. I pretty much put them in the same bracket.
This can't be seen as a step up fight for GGG, that's for sure.
Hes better than Adama, and if the choice is Geale or Kirkland for his next fight I think he should have taken Geale.
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I think theres no point in GGG moving up yet if he can easily make the weight. Theres still decent fights to be made at 160 for him like Martinez, Quillen, Murray and Sturm. If he can beat all of these fighters he should move up then. As his trainer said it will give him a bigger bargaining tool with Ward and will bring the fight on an even level, not Ward demanding more with his higher p4p ranking. GGG needs to fight the best in the weight class now, I cant see Adama lasting too long with him and this kind of fight does nothing but add another KO onto his record. I hope GGG steps it up the fight after this one.
If GGG was fighting Quillen, Martinez or even Geale then sure stay at MW. But he isn't. As for this proposed Kirkland fight, I've seen him fight enough Jr Middles at Middleweight. I'm beginning to think I'm just not a GGG fan because his people are lying. The story that they can fight all those Middleweights and then move to 168 for Ward is hogwash. Ward will be at 175 soon. If GGGs people said we have no interest in Ward we're cleaning out Middleweight I could support that. But deception from a camp that still hasn't earnned the right to BS is offensive. I'll be a fan when he finally steps up, you all can watch these garbage mismatches I won't
He does need to step it up and I do agree with that. Its weird how he got fighter of the year and hes not fought anybody decent. I hope he does fight a genuine 160 champion or contender soon because beating nobodies is easy.
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GGG is on that Lucian Bute style bum tour.. Shit better come to a halt sometime cuz seriously, it's starting to turn into a joke.
I dont consider him a real champion.. How the hell can you be a champion when you've never fought an elite opposition..
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Elite opposition don't want to fight him. HBO want to match Martinez and Golovkin asap and Golovkin wants the fight. The problem is getting Martinez to take the fight.
You can't really blame Golovkin for not wanting to rush to move up in weight to fight the p4p number two guy who is nearly a light heavy anyway.
