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Vendettos, you seem to be taking a more common sense attitude to Fury. You will grow to respect then like him as others have;)
As for the fights being easy...
Chisora is fighting Johnson. Kevin Johnson is impossible to look good against. He lost a debatable 10 rounder on 20th of December then went immediately in to camp with Szpilka helping him get ready for Jennings for a few weeks. He had maybe 1 or 2 weeks at the most out of training before getting the offer to fight Chisora. Also, Johnson would probably have been tapped up about a week before they announced the fight so has probably had longer to get ready for the Chisora fight than we think and because of Johnsons style, both Chisora and Don Charls, his trainer have said they are worried the crowd will boo. So Chisora will force the issue. Johnson is a counter puncher who will love Chisora taking the fight to him and I have a feeling after Chisora getting hurt by European level journeymen in his couple of fights that Johnson will have a field day and stop him.
As for Fury. Yes he is not an established world class fighter yet. He yet to get his shot at a title. He was still progressing until Haye fucked him around so it has put him back a step and his opponent after all is the only person to drop Pulev in Pulevs most recent fight;)
It seems you rate Johnson because Fury beat him. He is nothing special and has never beaten anyone of note. His best win is probably against Leapai whos best win himself at the time was probably Travis Walker.
I dont think Johnson is good just because Fury beat him at all.
Its his style. I think hes going to be fitter than anyone wants to give him credit for because hes fought a 10 rounder 5 weeks ago, went straight in to camp sparring Szpilka and Oquendo and then got the call for this. His style is all wrong for Chisora and Chisoras is everything Johnson could hope for. A short comeforward brawler.
What exactly has Chisora improved about his boxing, ask yourself that? He's got lighter and thats it! The heavier Chisora that bulled a 20 stone Fury and pushed Vitali harder than anyone else would not have been hurt by his last two opponents.
You will see;)
Firstlky, I love the way you try to boost Furys profile by comparing a 260+ pound chisora that "bulled" Fury to a 240 pound Chisora that went the distance with Vitali and then try to clain the 235 pound Fury is weaker and Chinnier then the 2 of them because what Haye managed to stop him? You are so unbelievably biased it makes u look stupid. You can speak a lot of sense but ur emotions take over far to easily.
What has Chisora improved about his boxing? His stamina, his strenght and his speed. All of this has improved with him training harder and dropping fat and putting on muscle, plain and simple.
What makes you think this style will suit Johnson? Johnson hasnt fought anyone who will get to the inside and throw punches. All this shite you are talking now, you better give Chisora credit if he wins.
Your kidding yourself.
Someone who gets wobbled by 2 consecutive european journeymen is "improved"?
If you look at Chisora he doesnt even look any more "ripped" he still looks soft. I think hes dropped as much muscle as fat because right now he still looks as though he drop alot of weight. It has hurt his resiliance and if ajohnson catches him (which he will) and hurts him, he has enough class to keep Chisora hurt.
Fury is wobbled in pretty much every fight yet you claim he has improved? HYPOCRITE! Can you not admit that when Chisora trains and takes fights seriously (like he did v Vitali, Helenius, Haye) he is better then when he doesnt (live v Fury)?
Re: fury and chiz easy fights
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Vendettos, you seem to be taking a more common sense attitude to Fury. You will grow to respect then like him as others have;)
As for the fights being easy...
Chisora is fighting Johnson. Kevin Johnson is impossible to look good against. He lost a debatable 10 rounder on 20th of December then went immediately in to camp with Szpilka helping him get ready for Jennings for a few weeks. He had maybe 1 or 2 weeks at the most out of training before getting the offer to fight Chisora. Also, Johnson would probably have been tapped up about a week before they announced the fight so has probably had longer to get ready for the Chisora fight than we think and because of Johnsons style, both Chisora and Don Charls, his trainer have said they are worried the crowd will boo. So Chisora will force the issue. Johnson is a counter puncher who will love Chisora taking the fight to him and I have a feeling after Chisora getting hurt by European level journeymen in his couple of fights that Johnson will have a field day and stop him.
As for Fury. Yes he is not an established world class fighter yet. He yet to get his shot at a title. He was still progressing until Haye fucked him around so it has put him back a step and his opponent after all is the only person to drop Pulev in Pulevs most recent fight;)
It seems you rate Johnson because Fury beat him. He is nothing special and has never beaten anyone of note. His best win is probably against Leapai whos best win himself at the time was probably Travis Walker.
I dont think Johnson is good just because Fury beat him at all.
Its his style. I think hes going to be fitter than anyone wants to give him credit for because hes fought a 10 rounder 5 weeks ago, went straight in to camp sparring Szpilka and Oquendo and then got the call for this. His style is all wrong for Chisora and Chisoras is everything Johnson could hope for. A short comeforward brawler.
What exactly has Chisora improved about his boxing, ask yourself that? He's got lighter and thats it! The heavier Chisora that bulled a 20 stone Fury and pushed Vitali harder than anyone else would not have been hurt by his last two opponents.
You will see;)
Firstlky, I love the way you try to boost Furys profile by comparing a 260+ pound chisora that "bulled" Fury to a 240 pound Chisora that went the distance with Vitali and then try to clain the 235 pound Fury is weaker and Chinnier then the 2 of them because what Haye managed to stop him? You are so unbelievably biased it makes u look stupid. You can speak a lot of sense but ur emotions take over far to easily.
What has Chisora improved about his boxing? His stamina, his strenght and his speed. All of this has improved with him training harder and dropping fat and putting on muscle, plain and simple.
What makes you think this style will suit Johnson? Johnson hasnt fought anyone who will get to the inside and throw punches. All this shite you are talking now, you better give Chisora credit if he wins.
Your kidding yourself.
Someone who gets wobbled by 2 consecutive european journeymen is "improved"?
If you look at Chisora he doesnt even look any more "ripped" he still looks soft. I think hes dropped as much muscle as fat because right now he still looks as though he drop alot of weight. It has hurt his resiliance and if ajohnson catches him (which he will) and hurts him, he has enough class to keep Chisora hurt.
Fury is wobbled in pretty much every fight yet you claim he has improved? HYPOCRITE! Can you not admit that when Chisora trains and takes fights seriously (like he did v Vitali, Helenius, Haye) he is better then when he doesnt (live v Fury)?
Ok, Chisoras lighter weight fighting he got hurt by european journeymen. Fat, he did better against Fury than Johnson and Cunningham.;)
You will see. Chisora will look crap against someone Fury beat easy. Its his style. He will make it easy for Johnson.
Fury got dropped by a world class fighter in his last fight and sparked him. People may say he wasn't a heavyweight but they contradict themselves because when iv pointed out that if most of todays decent heavies were to get their body fat down to Cunninghams they would probably be lighter than 210lb., they say that Cunningham just put on water. Well he must have been weakening himself to fuck losing 10lb of water to get down to cruiser!
Cunningham is insanely ripped to shreds! Imagine Chisora in that shape. He wouldn't be any heavier than Cunningham.
Anyway, my point is Chisora hasn't looked very good against poor opponents recently. Easy to hit and hurt and is doing nothing better now he's lost weight. He looks weaker if anything.
How you can judge his stamina when he fought the distance with Fury but only done a handful of rounds since he's lost weight???;D
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"Fat, he did better against Fury than Johnson and Cunningham???"
Fat he did ok for 2 rounds and then did nothing. Cunningham floored him and hurt him multiple times. How is that better you retard? I actually see how you think now, did u ever box? All you care about is not getting KOd. Youd prefer to go the distance and do shit then actually make an effort. Probably why you like Johnson.
"Fury got dropped by a world class fighter in his last fight and sparked him"
True he got floored by a feather fisted world class boxer.
"Cunningham is insanely ripped to shreds! Imagine Chisora in that shape"
Do you want to fuck him? What does this matter?
"How you can judge his stamina when he fought the distance with Fury but only done a handful of rounds since he's lost weight"
Since hes lost weight he went 12 with Helenius and 12 with Vitali. Also stopped Scott in the 6th and was coming on strong. Against Fury he couldnt throw a punch after the 3rd round. His stamina has improved.
Again you look like a retard because you cant admit the fighter that Fury fought has improved greatly because of him training harder.
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Will you admit he really is no better now than he was then when he looks crap against Johnson?;)
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Will you admit he really is no better now than he was then when he looks crap against Johnson?;)
No because styles makes fights. I think hell look shit against Johnson but think hell win. I dont think hell look shit against Chisora.
So by Ross' logic a fighter who gasses after 2 rounds is as good as that same fighter who can go 12 rounds.
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Will you admit he really is no better now than he was then when he looks crap against Johnson?;)
No because styles makes fights. I think hell look shit against Johnson but think hell win. I dont think hell look shit against Chisora.
So by Ross' logic a fighter who gasses after 2 rounds is as good as that same fighter who can go 12 rounds.
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So an improved fighter will look shit against someone that Fury beat easy and who loses in prizefighter now:confused:;D
What your saying, is Chisora is much improved because he's lighter but not "that" much improved?
Never mind.:rolleyes:
P.S. I'm assuming you meant Fury and not Chisora on the end of your first sentence? If Chisora loses he wont get the chance to do any better against Fury.
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Will you admit he really is no better now than he was then when he looks crap against Johnson?;)
No because styles makes fights. I think hell look shit against Johnson but think hell win. I dont think hell look shit against Chisora.
So by Ross' logic a fighter who gasses after 2 rounds is as good as that same fighter who can go 12 rounds.
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So an improved fighter will look shit against someone that Fury beat easy and who loses in prizefighter now:confused:;D
What your saying, is Chisora is much improved because he's lighter but not "that" much improved?
Never mind.:rolleyes:
P.S. I'm assuming you meant Fury and not Chisora on the end of your first sentence? If Chisora loses he wont get the chance to do any better against Fury.
Yes I meant Fury. Fury looked shit against a fighter Skelton beat easily. Styles make fights. I think Chisora will get in close and land a couple of shots before Johnson grabs him and ties up. Johnson is always gonna have a hard time against bigger fighters because of his shit work rate which is why Fury and Vitali did well against him. However, I dont think either looked particularly good in doing so. Fury won comfortably but he never had Johnson in trouble.
And yes Chisora has improved purely because of his stamina. Has his skillset changed? No, but clearly a fighter who is fit is better then that same fighter who is not fit. Its just common cop on.
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Also, im not saying Chisora will look shit because Johnson will put in a negative show. Im saying he will look shit because Johnson will catch him and often and Chisora will then be a little reluctant to try and get inside.
This fight (I think) will make people revise how highly rated they have Chisora and also, whether there will be any point in the whole build up and fight itself with Fury.
