Degale hasn't beaten anyone better than Glen Johnson. Groves also did a better job against Paul Smith. The manner of Groves victories against a similar level of opposition are what elevated his status.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
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Degale hasn't beaten anyone better than Glen Johnson. Groves also did a better job against Paul Smith. The manner of Groves victories against a similar level of opposition are what elevated his status.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Yes he knows more about other things than boxing it would seem.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI think most people on here knew who they both were, along time before their fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamajaWell, who did Groves fight before he fought Froch- "DeGale".... and before that no one in the world knew who Groves was. At least we knew who DeGale was... lololol....Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI had Groves up by 3 I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraGroves is miles ahead of Degale. When they fought, I actually had Degale sneaking it, but since then Groves has improved dramatically with every fight, while Degale has stood still if not gone backwards. He's talked about bad knees, groin, all sorts of excuses. Until last night , I've never seen Degale fight more than a minute a round. Last night was a bit better, but he got tagged a helluva lot against a guy who although decent and game, was not World level. If they rematched tomorrow , Groves would probably stop Degale in 6-8 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Groves is massively the better fighter now.
DeGale has bare done anything to earn a title shot. I haven't even heard of a couple of his last opponents.
DeGale earns this title shot more than Groves did his against Froch if you ask me.
Are you a new fan of boxing? You seem to know very little.
Utter BS... Glen Johnson is a shell of a man. A shell of a man. Before their fight, no one in HELL knew who Groves was- and still no one knew who he really was UNTIL he started to call out Froch. He made a name for himself, no doubt- but DeGale's last three oppoonets could have beaten Johnson too. And, styles make fights- Groves did in Smith quicker. No biggie.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnDegale hasn't beaten anyone better than Glen Johnson. Groves also did a better job against Paul Smith. The manner of Groves victories against a similar level of opposition are what elevated his status.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Every pro fight Groves has had has been televised in the UK. As amazing as it may seem, you don't need American approval to become a successful boxer.
Johnson was a year removed from fighting Froch to a close decision and fighting Lucian Bute and yet he was just Groves 16th pro fight. Also to say nobody knew who Groves was is utter BS. Over here in the UK Groves fought on numerous David Haye undercards meaning every fight he has was televised. Also, as soon as Degale left Warren and signed for Hennessy he started to fight in small hall shows on Channel 5 dragging in average viewing figures and a poor gate as oppose to Groves who was fighting on Sky in front of larger audiences and dragging in higher viewing figures. As a result, many people in this country knew who George Groves was.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
DeGale hasn't been televised on American TV, if I can remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
We have many mediocre fighters like Degale in america.. like Badou Jack, yusaf mack etc...
I thought DeGale looked alright to be honest. The guy he was in with was a bit of an odd ball and hard as nails to boot. DeGale looked strong later on in the fight which was good to see. If he's been as injury prone as he says over the past few years and he's now fit you cant blame him for having a bit of fun in there and taking risks. Bika will be a big ask for him but he's not going to be as sloppy as that when it really counts.
I actually warmed to him a bit. He spoke well and sounded quite humble pre fight.
It's not really a stacked division. Who does he have to beat to deserve a title shot? Periban wouldn't fight him and Jack lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by VendettosI had Groves up by 3 I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraGroves is miles ahead of Degale. When they fought, I actually had Degale sneaking it, but since then Groves has improved dramatically with every fight, while Degale has stood still if not gone backwards. He's talked about bad knees, groin, all sorts of excuses. Until last night , I've never seen Degale fight more than a minute a round. Last night was a bit better, but he got tagged a helluva lot against a guy who although decent and game, was not World level. If they rematched tomorrow , Groves would probably stop Degale in 6-8 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Groves is massively the better fighter now.
DeGale has bare done anything to earn a title shot. I haven't even heard of a couple of his last opponents.
I agree with most of what you said. Groves has improved a lot, but the main thinking behind that is his performance against Froch. While he looked beating Smith, Sierra, Johnson, Barakat and Alcoba I dont think any of them would cause degale any trouble either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraGroves is miles ahead of Degale. When they fought, I actually had Degale sneaking it, but since then Groves has improved dramatically with every fight, while Degale has stood still if not gone backwards. He's talked about bad knees, groin, all sorts of excuses. Until last night , I've never seen Degale fight more than a minute a round. Last night was a bit better, but he got tagged a helluva lot against a guy who although decent and game, was not World level. If they rematched tomorrow , Groves would probably stop Degale in 6-8 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
DeGale has been injured but he has also had more fights since the loss to Groves then Groves has and while he hasnt been fighting great fighters the likes of Wilczewski and Davis are just as good as the guys Groves has been fighting (bar Froch). If they were fighting soon Groves would rightly be favorite but there is not a huge difference in them. I think Id back Degale at 2/1 or bigger which would mean hed have a good chance.
The closest yank to Degales level is Ward. Ward class A, DeGale class B and the next USA super middle is probably D or EQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita