I meant Periban. He's so shit I forgot his name lol
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I meant Periban. He's so shit I forgot his name lol
But does Groves beat Periban?
Doubt it.
Anyone who has stamina and can punch is going to beat Groves.
Reid was a world champ so to even ask if Robin Reid is better than Groves whos coming off hs second knockout loss just goes to show how well the promoters have done at blinding people to the facts.
George Groves is half shite, b'y
Groves beats Periban.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Based on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkGroves beats Periban.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Getting knocked out twice by Froch?
This is unbelievable! Now Groves beats everyone ever who isnt Ward and Froch:vd:
Reid has a much better chin and is all round tougher.
But I believe speed and overall skill makes Groves better.
However in their peaks it could go either way.
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Originally Posted by rossBased on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkGroves beats Periban.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Getting knocked out twice by Froch?
This is unbelievable! Now Groves beats everyone ever who isnt Ward and Froch:vd:
Based on Peribans last fight. Has more to do with him than Groves.
Reid was lucky to be champ, Groves could have beaten Nardiello and I doubt Reid would have beaten Froch.
Froch KO'd Reid, not in his 'prime', but I think he stops any version.
Marciano KO'd Joe Louis, Holmes stopped Ali.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Lucky?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.
So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.
Groves career is not over and even if he does not acheive as much as Reid at the end of his career will be down to luck than talent. If you want me to disect Reids career for you then I will but really it is clear to see that he was not really a world class fighter just fortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossLucky?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.
So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.
He's not a world class fighter!?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGroves career is not over and even if he does not acheive as much as Reid at the end of his career will be down to luck than talent. If you want me to disect Reids career for you then I will but really it is clear to see that he was not really a world class fighter just fortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossLucky?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.
So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.
He held the WBC world title that he won in the first attempt by knockout traveling to Italy!
He pushed Calzaghe and Ottke hard and could have been given the decisions in both fights, he was the only man to drop Ottke.
He also won a medal at the olympics.
All by luck?
No he's not world class...
As for Georges career not being over yet the title of the thread is was Reid a better boxer than Groves. We can only judge Groves up till now and so far, yes Reid is a better boxer and will always have winning the title at the first attempt.
The only way George could match Reid now is by beating Abraham in Germany then fighting Ward and pushing him so hard he should have been awarded the decision. Then who could his Ottke be?
Now you read that and think, there is no way he's doing all the above.
If Groves has success at world level then maybe , however Reid was world champ so how can we say Groves is better ? Reid won a bronze medal.
Notice the way you say won the title in Italy but not name the fighter? It was Nardiello who was shite look at his record - Groves would beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossHe's not a world class fighter!?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterGroves career is not over and even if he does not acheive as much as Reid at the end of his career will be down to luck than talent. If you want me to disect Reids career for you then I will but really it is clear to see that he was not really a world class fighter just fortunate.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossLucky?Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He should ave got the decisions over the only two super middle weight champs to retire undefeated. Thats not luck, thats class.
So far Groves hasnt acheived half as much.
He held the WBC world title that he won in the first attempt by knockout traveling to Italy!
He pushed Calzaghe and Ottke hard and could have been given the decisions in both fights, he was the only man to drop Ottke.
He also won a medal at the olympics.
All by luck?
No he's not world class...
As for Georges career not being over yet the title of the thread is was Reid a better boxer than Groves. We can only judge Groves up till now and so far, yes Reid is a better boxer and will always have winning the title at the first attempt.
The only way George could match Reid now is by beating Abraham in Germany then fighting Ward and pushing him so hard he should have been awarded the decision. Then who could his Ottke be?
Now you read that and think, there is no way he's doing all the above.
The reason why he had a good fight with Calzaghe was because Joe was struggling with injury. Joe fought Rick Thornberry and David Starie (the most boring fight ever) to points after the Reid fight ti illustrate how poor Joe was at that time.
Ottke was a joke champion.
Reid lost to Malinga and Branca at his best. They were jokers at the world class level.