Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
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You lot are a trip.
First he can't go the distance..
Now, well he did but he need to work on this..
Or if he doesn't then Wlad will take advantage..
get a grip. The man fought 12 rounds for the first time in his life...on the big stage.
That's what fights are for; to test yourself, one at a time. A muthajumpa can't execute a perfect game plan in one friggin fight.
Deontay won: give him his due: end of story.
There's no question Wilder probably achieved and learned more in one night than he has in his previous 32 but its another scenario where a guy jumps from the turtle pool into the ocean. You cannot learn backwards, step off the stage with that strap now and mentally he seems fully convinced he is Wlad ready while clearly in execution he is not. Nothing wrong with seeing there are things to work on. He's arrived but I think we'll see in the long run his camp did a disservice by not polishing and refining with better comp before last night. On the job learning is not something advisable against the top tier.
In theory I would agree with you
Meaning I don't see quality in today's HW's. The quality or type of skill that can prepare Wilder for a Wlad. Not a fact, just my opinion.
Not even Big ass Fury or if Valuev if he wasn't hiding.
An Arreola or a Sam Peter or Povetkin is good opposition and learning...But those guys have nothing to teach Wilder...what it would take to beat a Wlad.
I'm old school bro. I remember Evander fought a well schooled pro who had been in wars and started from Prison (Qawi)... in Evander's 12th fight. Shit who did Evander fight in 12 fights to prepare him for Qawi? No one which is why it was a war.
Who did Floyd fight within a 1 1/2 to prepare him for Genaro Hernandez who only lost once in a long illustrious career? No one which is why Floyd couldn't run or potshot to win he fought.
Now Wilder is not either of those two... But Wilder is in a division that is Ethiopian-skinny-hungry when it comes to talent.
Long run..a disservice? We will have to see. But since Wlad is at the end of his career, take it now. & if he wins... Then he can beat the pussy out of Haye. and the Fury outta Tyson!
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
Stiverne showed zero heart last night. He should be ashamed of himself. Wilder was there to be had. When he got inside he did nothing. He gave it like a girl on prom night.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
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SlimTrae
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Spicoli
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Originally Posted by
SlimTrae
You lot are a trip.
First he can't go the distance..
Now, well he did but he need to work on this..
Or if he doesn't then Wlad will take advantage..
get a grip. The man fought 12 rounds for the first time in his life...on the big stage.
That's what fights are for; to test yourself, one at a time. A muthajumpa can't execute a perfect game plan in one friggin fight.
Deontay won: give him his due: end of story.
There's no question Wilder probably achieved and learned more in one night than he has in his previous 32 but its another scenario where a guy jumps from the turtle pool into the ocean. You cannot learn backwards, step off the stage with that strap now and mentally he seems fully convinced he is Wlad ready while clearly in execution he is not. Nothing wrong with seeing there are things to work on. He's arrived but I think we'll see in the long run his camp did a disservice by not polishing and refining with better comp before last night. On the job learning is not something advisable against the top tier.
In theory I would agree with you
Meaning I don't see quality in today's HW's. The quality or type of skill that can prepare Wilder for a Wlad. Not a fact, just my opinion.
Not even Big ass Fury or if Valuev if he wasn't hiding.
An Arreola or a Sam Peter or Povetkin is good opposition and learning...But those guys have nothing to teach Wilder...what it would take to beat a Wlad.
I'm old school bro. I remember Evander fought a well schooled pro who had been in wars and started from Prison (Qawi)... in Evander's
12th fight. Shit who did Evander fight in 12 fights to prepare him for Qawi? No one which is why it was a war.
Who did Floyd fight within a 1 1/2 to prepare him for Genaro Hernandez who only lost once in a long illustrious career? No one which is why Floyd couldn't run or potshot to win he fought.
Now Wilder is not either of those two... But Wilder is in a division that is Ethiopian-skinny-hungry when it comes to talent.
Long run..a disservice? We will have to see. But since Wlad is at the end of his career, take it now. & if he wins... Then he can beat the pussy out of Haye. and the Fury outta Tyson!
I get it, but I think there is always something to learn in the majority of fights. When guys don't just fall over, when you cannot ko everyone and you hear the final bell. Its not about similar style for fighter A or B..its testing yourself and being forced to adjust as you step up. I don't think its a given at all that Wilder glides by a Povetkin. Holyfield was a special breed and was learning about going to war before his first professional bell with the likes of Ricky Womack, learning about officials screwing you with the Gold Bronze and biting off the most formidable guy in Qawi. As much as I liked Chicanito, god rest his soul, Floyd caught him at the tail end and perfect time. By long run I mean his learning and level comp would pay much greater dividends on this now high scale had it been invested in during those first five years of padding a ko record. Time will tell. These days it can be the Berto-ism of a guy with trikets a dime a dozen. Cakewalk to a title shot while being compared to Meldrick Taylor (:vd:) but never shedding the early flaws or patching up the holes before it gets too deep and late.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
I think Wilder should have oodles of confidence now. Stiverne on the other hand should think about a rematch if he feels he could perform better.
I wouldn't mind a rematch, like how Arreola got his against Stiverne.
Wilder can fight anyone he wants now: Arreola, Ruiz, Pulev, Thompson, Solis, etc, etc...
But the next big HW fight for the title, regardless of who comes between, will be Jennings vs. Wilder. This is of course if Stiverne doesn't get his rematch.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
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erics44
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thats not a wrap up
a wrap up is one sentence, 2 or 3 at the abosolute most
kin el
??? lolol... a wrap up can be as long as you wish for it to be.
no it cant
imagine this - "Right lets wrap it up"
3 hours later
"and thats it, good evening"
know what i mean?
I hear you, but I haven't finished talking either. This "wrap up" could be epic. Know what I mean? Lol
yeah im with you, ill talk about it all night, boxing is one of my favourite subjects
all im saying tho is im unhappy about the title of the thread, its false advertising!
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
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erics44
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beenKOed
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erics44
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ykdadamaja
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erics44
thats not a wrap up
a wrap up is one sentence, 2 or 3 at the abosolute most
kin el
??? lolol... a wrap up can be as long as you wish for it to be.
no it cant
imagine this - "Right lets wrap it up"
3 hours later
"and thats it, good evening"
know what i mean?
I hear you, but I haven't finished talking either. This "wrap up" could be epic. Know what I mean? Lol
yeah im with you, ill talk about it all night, boxing is one of my favourite subjects
all im saying tho is im unhappy about the title of the thread, its false advertising!
You don't know shit about wrap ups!
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Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
The problem with anyone coming through the ranks is that the goalposts are continually shifted on them, we all do it, I'm sure it's always been done and always will be. Stivern was everything we wanted Wilder to face. 'World class', good punch, durable, proven at the top and to boot he held a portion of the World heavyweight title.
Wilder passed with flying colours answering every question levied at him over the past few years. All of a sudden Stivern was shit. If Wilder took on Fury and beat him Fury would be shit. He can only succeed if he twats Wlad and that's unfair.
If Wilder had gone a few rounds with a few of the bodies he'd faced prior to Stivern he might have been treated a bit fairer, he cant be penalised for lamping everyone out of there though.
I was impressed with him in almost all aspects and it's great to have an American Heavyweight at the top ready to challenge Wlad.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
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ykdadamaja
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erics44
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beenKOed
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Originally Posted by
erics44
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
erics44
thats not a wrap up
a wrap up is one sentence, 2 or 3 at the abosolute most
kin el
??? lolol... a wrap up can be as long as you wish for it to be.
no it cant
imagine this - "Right lets wrap it up"
3 hours later
"and thats it, good evening"
know what i mean?
I hear you, but I haven't finished talking either. This "wrap up" could be epic. Know what I mean? Lol
yeah im with you, ill talk about it all night, boxing is one of my favourite subjects
all im saying tho is im unhappy about the title of the thread, its false advertising!
You don't know shit about wrap ups!
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you must be still at school if you dont think i know shit about wrap ups you troll :)
anyway, soz, ill make a better contribution to the thread in a minute
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Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
Did anyone see how Wilder was led out of the ring after the fight? He could barely stand up... he had to be carted away ala Broner after the Maidana fight.
He didn't show much fatigue and damage in his interview post fight in ring, but he certainly needed to be carted off and propped up.
I guess his adrenaline was still pumping. Would like to know what happened to him afterwards, because some of those Stiverne shots did land and he was wobbled. Wobbled good.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
Wilder took some good, hard shots and stood up. He really showed he has a heavyweight chin. He can take a good lick!
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
Stiverne "couldn't get going" and "looked sluggish" because he was getting smashed in the face with that jab every time he tried to get into range. You could actually see him not enjoying it too.
Wilder is big enough and mobile enough that Klitschko won't just be able to jab and grab his way through another fight. He's also going to land something heavy at some point and Klitschko doesn't have a chin like Stiverne.
Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Bermane Stiverne- Wrap up!
And now we find out Wilder hurt his hand, that also shows he can deal with adversity without being a madonna -- think Floyd crying he bit me...like a bitch and not a finger or nail was on the canvas.
Haye and his bunion toe..these guys are vets and made it known when they were hurt.
Kudos to the young Wilder for not showing or bitching about his hand..well I didnt see all the post fight..but no one here post him shedding tears about it...
