Re: Should Chavez Jr have been in the ring last night?
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p4pking
Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.
As said, Chavez has not fought in about a year, and certainly not anyone at the level of at least Fonfara at that weight with Fonfara being in the ring with quality opponents.
Rewatching it it almost feels like it was his sink or swim moment, bit of a cash out roll the dice. He was going life and death with Brian Vera prior and clowned by Martinez. One of his better showings has seen Lee rebound and pass him by in a way. Chavez is stuck now, can't-won't make 160-168 and clearly more sluggish and aloof at 175.
This "passing him by" is an illusion. Just one guy stayed in the wasteland that is 160. If Lee was in with Fonfara he's be stopped too. Neither Lee nor Jr is very good, they just have achievements based on what's around them.
One guy knows his limitations and knows he has no business at Lt. hvy. He also beat and more than hung with top contenders, showed the ability to adjust and again propel himself into a high profile fight..as champion. That's what I mean by passing him by. Irony is they both lost to Vera the first time out. Lee has walked through Hell to come back...Chavez has been down 1 time as a pro and effectively chose to stay there, on the stool.
Re: Should Chavez Jr have been in the ring last night?
He should have listened to his Dad.....but boys will be boys!!
Job Biscuit (Well done Fonfara)!!!!
eh!! eh!!
Re: Should Chavez Jr have been in the ring last night?
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Spicoli
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Ron Swanson
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Spicoli
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ykdadamaja
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p4pking
Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.
As said, Chavez has not fought in about a year, and certainly not anyone at the level of at least Fonfara at that weight with Fonfara being in the ring with quality opponents.
Rewatching it it almost feels like it was his sink or swim moment, bit of a cash out roll the dice. He was going life and death with Brian Vera prior and clowned by Martinez. One of his better showings has seen Lee rebound and pass him by in a way. Chavez is stuck now, can't-won't make 160-168 and clearly more sluggish and aloof at 175.
This "passing him by" is an illusion. Just one guy stayed in the wasteland that is 160. If Lee was in with Fonfara he's be stopped too. Neither Lee nor Jr is very good, they just have achievements based on what's around them.
One guy knows his limitations and knows he has no business at Lt. hvy. He also beat and more than hung with top contenders, showed the ability to adjust and again propel himself into a high profile fight..as champion. That's what I mean by passing him by. Irony is they both lost to Vera the first time out. Lee has walked through Hell to come back...Chavez has been down 1 time as a pro and effectively chose to stay there, on the stool.
Lee hasn't adjusted at all.
If Jr would dedicate himself he'd beat Lee again at MW.
Re: Should Chavez Jr have been in the ring last night?
Chavez Jr. has no respect for the sport of Boxing. Boxing put him in his place
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Ron Swanson
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Spicoli
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ykdadamaja
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p4pking
Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.
As said, Chavez has not fought in about a year, and certainly not anyone at the level of at least Fonfara at that weight with Fonfara being in the ring with quality opponents.
Rewatching it it almost feels like it was his sink or swim moment, bit of a cash out roll the dice. He was going life and death with Brian Vera prior and clowned by Martinez. One of his better showings has seen Lee rebound and pass him by in a way. Chavez is stuck now, can't-won't make 160-168 and clearly more sluggish and aloof at 175.
This "passing him by" is an illusion. Just one guy stayed in the wasteland that is 160. If Lee was in with Fonfara he's be stopped too. Neither Lee nor Jr is very good, they just have achievements based on what's around them.
One guy knows his limitations and knows he has no business at Lt. hvy. He also beat and more than hung with top contenders, showed the ability to adjust and again propel himself into a high profile fight..as champion. That's what I mean by passing him by. Irony is they both lost to Vera the first time out. Lee has walked through Hell to come back...Chavez has been down 1 time as a pro and effectively chose to stay there, on the stool.
Lee hasn't adjusted at all.
If Jr would dedicate himself he'd beat Lee again at MW.
He adjusted well to come back from the dead and dump Quillin on his arse giving back what he got? Chavez will not nor has he 'dedicated' himself and has been on borrowed time.
Re: Should Chavez Jr have been in the ring last night?
Chavez shouldve never ever been in the ring. He is a joke. no talent, or work ethic. His father knows this. I guess they wanted to cash in on the name.
He has beaten zero elite fighters.
I do like watching his fight style. Lead in with his head, block punches with his face, crouch down and go face first into his opponents nuts, then lean his head on the other guys head and throw punches.
what a fuckin joke
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Chavez is really rubbish. What was with the slow motion lead with the head crap. What a freak. And the post fight interview? The kid is tripping.
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Junior got spanked...he just doesn't have the pop to fight at 175
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He shouldn't go in the ring with anybody his own size who is half decent as he'll just lose again. His entire career has been based on getting down to 160, at least occasionally with diuretics, then putting on a quarter of his bodyweight overnight and then bullying smaller handpicked fighters.
He can probably get down to 168 and be carefully brought back and maybe even get gifted a vacant belt if he's still selling tickets and the networks still want to show him, but the next time he comes up against anybody at world level at 168 or above he's going to get beat again.
The fight on Saturday wasn't as enjoyable as Maidana beating Broner but it was something I've been looking forward to for years. :)
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It was a fair match up on paper man, he's just not that good. Every chance he would have lost to some irrelevant journeyman if he campaigned at 175 without a catch, without trying to diss Fonfara to much he's very beatable.
I Agree.
Re: Should Chavez Jr have been in the ring last night?
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Kirkland Laing
He shouldn't go in the ring with anybody his own size who is half decent as he'll just lose again. His entire career has been based on getting down to 160, at least occasionally with diuretics, then putting on a quarter of his bodyweight overnight and then bullying smaller handpicked fighters.
He can probably get down to 168 and be carefully brought back and maybe even get gifted a vacant belt if he's still selling tickets and the networks still want to show him, but the next time he comes up against anybody at world level at 168 or above he's going to get beat again.
The fight on Saturday wasn't as enjoyable as Maidana beating Broner but it was something I've been looking forward to for years. :)
A very good description of what has frankly always been an extremely pathetic career.
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At least I feel spared in the future he is not an undisciplined champ who is on 24/7 eating a bowl of fruit loops in his underwear. We should be thankful that Fonfara closed the books on that phony's lack of class and limited abilities.
