Should Chavez Jr have been in the ring last night?

[p4pking]

It was a fair match up on paper man, he's just not that good. Every chance he would have lost to some irrelevant journeyman if he campaigned at 175 without a catch, without trying to diss Fonfara to much he's very beatable.

[ykdadamaja]

It was a fair match up on paper man, he's just not that good. Every chance he would have lost to some irrelevant journeyman if he campaigned at 175 without a catch, without trying to diss Fonfara to much he's very beatable.

He would have been beatable to a busier Chavez Jr. career wise. Fonfara just came off of a 12 round decision loss against a hard hitting Stevenson. He has some skills, not to get knocked out by Stevenson at least.

The testament to last night was to EVERY FIGHTER to stay busy if you want to be a quality fighter. Not every fighter has skills, some have heart and determination. I though Jr. had at least determination considering his fight vs. Martinez, but he lost that too.

These losses damage fighters in the long run...

[Master]

Junior needed to be beaten in the ring to show him that he does not belong in the elite paydays that he has been getting. His potential opponents who are looking for an easy payday can move along and look some where else.

[p4pking]

Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.

[Dia bando]

Chavez was given a lesson, by a better fighter it's of no shock to most people on the forum,
Froch must be as sick as a pig he would have done very much the same thing, only Froch
would have stopped him in about 6 rounds.
Should Jr have been in the ring,! yes but not against Fonfara he was way to much for Jr he
dropped Stevenson, so we new he could punch stupid fight to take.

[Master]

Chavez was given a lesson, by a better fighter it's of no shock to most people on the forum,
Froch must be as sick as a pig he would have done very much the same thing, only Froch
would have stopped him in about 6 rounds.
Should Jr have been in the ring,! yes but not against Fonfara he was way to much for Jr he
dropped Stevenson, so we new he could punch stupid fight to take.

In hindsight yes.

[TitoFan]

Of course he should have.

How else was he going to get dumped on his ass and then quit on his stool?

[corvette]

Chavez was given a lesson, by a better fighter it's of no shock to most people on the forum,
Froch must be as sick as a pig he would have done very much the same thing, only Froch
would have stopped him in about 6 rounds.
Should Jr have been in the ring,! yes but not against Fonfara he was way to much for Jr he
dropped Stevenson, so we new he could punch stupid fight to take.

Fonfara is dangerous when you step away from him.

Once you get in on him it's best to stay there.

You gotta be smart when stepping out against him...ask Stevenson and Jr.

[ykdadamaja]

Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.

As said, Chavez has not fought in about a year, and certainly not anyone at the level of at least Fonfara at that weight with Fonfara being in the ring with quality opponents.

[Spicoli]

2.5 million for taking a pounding does buy a helluva lot of cold cereal. Man has to eat, right?

One of the funniest things I've heard in a while was asking for a catchweight of 170 after losing a catchweight . Chavez does not have the mental make up to take it serious.

[Spicoli]

Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.

As said, Chavez has not fought in about a year, and certainly not anyone at the level of at least Fonfara at that weight with Fonfara being in the ring with quality opponents.

Rewatching it it almost feels like it was his sink or swim moment, bit of a cash out roll the dice. He was going life and death with Brian Vera prior and clowned by Martinez. One of his better showings has seen Lee rebound and pass him by in a way. Chavez is stuck now, can't-won't make 160-168 and clearly more sluggish and aloof at 175.

[corvette]

Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.

As said, Chavez has not fought in about a year, and certainly not anyone at the level of at least Fonfara at that weight with Fonfara being in the ring with quality opponents.

Rewatching it it almost feels like it was his sink or swim moment, bit of a cash out roll the dice. He was going life and death with Brian Vera prior and clowned by Martinez. One of his better showings has seen Lee rebound and pass him by in a way. Chavez is stuck now, can't-won't make 160-168 and clearly more sluggish and aloof at 175.

He could make 160 or 168 if he showed some damn character.

Jr just doesn't like to live and work like a professional.

[Ron Swanson]

Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.

As said, Chavez has not fought in about a year, and certainly not anyone at the level of at least Fonfara at that weight with Fonfara being in the ring with quality opponents.

Rewatching it it almost feels like it was his sink or swim moment, bit of a cash out roll the dice. He was going life and death with Brian Vera prior and clowned by Martinez. One of his better showings has seen Lee rebound and pass him by in a way. Chavez is stuck now, can't-won't make 160-168 and clearly more sluggish and aloof at 175.

This "passing him by" is an illusion. Just one guy stayed in the wasteland that is 160. If Lee was in with Fonfara he's be stopped too. Neither Lee nor Jr is very good, they just have achievements based on what's around them.

[Spicoli]

Yea for sure Fonfara is good, but the fact that he couldn't miss Jr last night and was so much stronger is pretty telling. Career wise Jr is what he is now, doesn't have a prayer of being a top guy. Literally anyone decent above 160 beats him.

As said, Chavez has not fought in about a year, and certainly not anyone at the level of at least Fonfara at that weight with Fonfara being in the ring with quality opponents.

Rewatching it it almost feels like it was his sink or swim moment, bit of a cash out roll the dice. He was going life and death with Brian Vera prior and clowned by Martinez. One of his better showings has seen Lee rebound and pass him by in a way. Chavez is stuck now, can't-won't make 160-168 and clearly more sluggish and aloof at 175.

This "passing him by" is an illusion. Just one guy stayed in the wasteland that is 160. If Lee was in with Fonfara he's be stopped too. Neither Lee nor Jr is very good, they just have achievements based on what's around them.

One guy knows his limitations and knows he has no business at Lt. hvy. He also beat and more than hung with top contenders, showed the ability to adjust and again propel himself into a high profile fight..as champion. That's what I mean by passing him by. Irony is they both lost to Vera the first time out. Lee has walked through Hell to come back...Chavez has been down 1 time as a pro and effectively chose to stay there, on the stool.

[SlimTrae]

It was a fair match up on paper man, he's just not that good. Every chance he would have lost to some irrelevant journeyman if he campaigned at 175 without a catch, without trying to diss Fonfara to much he's very beatable.

I Agree.