Re: Boxing the KING of double standard sports
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ruthless rocco
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Cotto will fight Canelo at light middleweight then it will all be fine but if it is at middleweight then it will be wrong? That is double standards.
If you're the middleweight champ and you're promoting yourself as middleweight champ and your promotional company advertises you as middleweight champ and the commissions sanction the fight for the middleweight championship then you best be allowing your opponent to weigh in as a middleweight!!!
If you want to win the middleweight title but have no interest in defending the middleweight title against a middleweight fighter who is allowed to weigh in at the middleweight limit then give up the title!
Cotto has used the middleweight strap as a bargaining position to secure a good payday against Canelo. Canelo was arguing for a larger slice of the pie but Cotto holding a belt stops that card being used by Alvarez.
GGG has carried on earning and beating true middleweights so his career has not stalled. Cotto is making the most amount of money he can before he leaves the game. In this aspect he has not done anything out of the ordinary to maximise his income.
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Like has been said, the main problem is doing a catch weight for a title. If you are a champion at a weight class then there should be a rule in place for maintaining the actual weight. There shouldn't be able to be a negotiation for a contract weight when it's for the title. And also as others have said, it is the commissions and managers job to keep the fighters safe and not allow a natural middle weight to drop that few extra pounds. It makes no sense. We changed to before day weigh ins just so we could call for catch weights and weight drain the fighter even more? Are you telling me that is less dangerous to the fighters health?
Re: Boxing the KING of double standard sports
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powerpuncher
Like has been said, the main problem is doing a catch weight for a title. If you are a champion at a weight class then there should be a rule in place for maintaining the actual weight. There shouldn't be able to be a negotiation for a contract weight when it's for the title. And also as others have said, it is the commissions and managers job to keep the fighters safe and not allow a natural middle weight to drop that few extra pounds. It makes no sense. We changed to before day weigh ins just so we could call for catch weights and weight drain the fighter even more? Are you telling me that is less dangerous to the fighters health?
But you have no problem with a 'middleweight' climbing into the ring at 175? Rehydrating turns every fight into a catch weight bout, except that nobody knows how much anybody is going to weigh.
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Well 160 has always been the middleweight standard. Cotto won the belt at 159 and defended it at 157... so technically that's a triple standard!
Re: Boxing the KING of double standard sports
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greynotsoold
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powerpuncher
Like has been said, the main problem is doing a catch weight for a title. If you are a champion at a weight class then there should be a rule in place for maintaining the actual weight. There shouldn't be able to be a negotiation for a contract weight when it's for the title. And also as others have said, it is the commissions and managers job to keep the fighters safe and not allow a natural middle weight to drop that few extra pounds. It makes no sense. We changed to before day weigh ins just so we could call for catch weights and weight drain the fighter even more? Are you telling me that is less dangerous to the fighters health?
But you have no problem with a 'middleweight' climbing into the ring at 175? Rehydrating turns every fight into a catch weight bout, except that nobody knows how much anybody is going to weigh.
The rules state you have to weigh in at 160 or below. What part don't you understand?
For a guy involved in the sport you seem unclear on how the rules work.
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Weight cutting is a part of the sport and there's no way of getting rid of it. It's a balancing act and guys can and have gotten burned by cutting too much weight. Cotto's no stranger to it. When he fought Chop Chop Corley he weighed in at 140 and went into the ring at 157.
Re: Boxing the KING of double standard sports
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ruthless rocco
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greynotsoold
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powerpuncher
Like has been said, the main problem is doing a catch weight for a title. If you are a champion at a weight class then there should be a rule in place for maintaining the actual weight. There shouldn't be able to be a negotiation for a contract weight when it's for the title. And also as others have said, it is the commissions and managers job to keep the fighters safe and not allow a natural middle weight to drop that few extra pounds. It makes no sense. We changed to before day weigh ins just so we could call for catch weights and weight drain the fighter even more? Are you telling me that is less dangerous to the fighters health?
But you have no problem with a 'middleweight' climbing into the ring at 175? Rehydrating turns every fight into a catch weight bout, except that nobody knows how much anybody is going to weigh.
The rules state you have to weigh in at 160 or below. What part don't you understand?
For a guy involved in the sport you seem unclear on how the rules work.
I think he explained it pretty clearly.
Fighters who want to fight as "middleweights" while walking into the ring weighing 180 pounds are doing more harm to the sport in terms of competitive balance and safety than a guy who requests his opponent to weigh in at 157.
You don't have to agree but the point is pretty simple.
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It makes NO sense that a fighter gets to dictate the weight of a 160lb title fight to be lower than 160lb.
If Cotto doesn't want to fight as a middleweight then give up the belt and fight the division lower.
Imagine a track meet where the more popular and more influential runner gets to choose the length of the 100 metre dash.
Let's say Cotto is a quicker starter but Gaele tends to come on stronger towards the end. Does it make any sense for Cotto to be able to choose that the race be only 75 metres but still sell the race as and have it be recorded as a 100 metre race?
No!!! Only an idiot would think that's makes sense.
The 100 metre dash is 100 metres long.
The middlweight title is defended by fighters who weigh in below 160lbs at the time of the weigh in.
Re: Boxing the KING of double standard sports
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greynotsoold
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powerpuncher
Like has been said, the main problem is doing a catch weight for a title. If you are a champion at a weight class then there should be a rule in place for maintaining the actual weight. There shouldn't be able to be a negotiation for a contract weight when it's for the title. And also as others have said, it is the commissions and managers job to keep the fighters safe and not allow a natural middle weight to drop that few extra pounds. It makes no sense. We changed to before day weigh ins just so we could call for catch weights and weight drain the fighter even more? Are you telling me that is less dangerous to the fighters health?
But you have no problem with a 'middleweight' climbing into the ring at 175? Rehydrating turns every fight into a catch weight bout, except that nobody knows how much anybody is going to weigh.
I have a problem with day before weigh ins. I think they are ridiculous and it creates a culture where the fighters cut an extreme amount of weight. Most fighters lose weight over training camp but then cuts weight to make the weight. So yes, I do have a problem with a fighter walking around 40 pounds over their weight class. Sadly, cutting weight is just going to happen, but they should try to prevent it as much as possible (which is supposedly the reason why they changed to day before weight ins). It doesn't help the cause when you are forcing people to cut an unhealthy amount of weight just to be the sacrificial lamb.
And as I said before, they do agree to the terms but it's usually something that they can't turn down. Commissions should start regulating these types of things.
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I think that most activities in which the emotion of the fans is very related to the offensive (as a complement of defense) is prone for double standards.
The fans in the current era and maybe of a lot more eras in the future aren't unbiased enough like to separate emotion from their objective judging because seriously, what % of times in history has the overrated hard puncher lost vs the technician boxer? much more than expected, they haven't learned the lessons of history even thought they have been exposed repeatedly
and yet they continue to overhype and overrate the emotion producing boxer or any exciting athlete.
Until maybe... they make the ring much smaller to prevent him from running a lot and they change the judging system to penalize huggings immensely more. Unless maybe the boxer was really good at technique and not just at athleticism
