Rocky 49 wins not defeats, hell of a record tough SOB's back then they fought once or twice a month
not one or twice a year, like this bunch now a human pit bull old Rocky.:)
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Rocky 49 wins not defeats, hell of a record tough SOB's back then they fought once or twice a month
not one or twice a year, like this bunch now a human pit bull old Rocky.:)
The weird thing with Marciano is that his toughest competition was not only old, but also small. For some reason all of the big HWs had taken a break for a while. Not that size is everything but he was pretty small and fortunate he didn't fight a decade later against guys 20-30 pounds bigger than him.
Well said sir. Everyone knows, I've said it before, Marciano couldn't have fought competitively against the big heavyweights that began appearing in the 60s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Good to see you finally telling some truth about Mayweather at the end of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I have no issue with Marciano's career. He fought some bums and he fought some very good fighters. Unlike Mayweather he couldn't run up and down the weights avoiding fighters, he just fought who he could in the division available to him a little bit like Wlad does today.
Marciano was a limited HW in that he wasn't very big or tall or technical, but he always found a way and you have to respect that. I respect Mayweather in a similar way, but think he cherry picked the last decade of his career and is plain boring and ugly to watch.
He would be fighting as a cruiserweight today. Who knows if he fought once a year and had a good conditioning coach he might even be able to catchweight a fight at super middleweight. Hell, Joe Frazier was taller than Marciano!
He was lucky enough to fight when he did and he made the most of it, what more can you ask of a fighter?
Most pro fighters start out fighting tomato cans as some call them, it will probably be that way forever, how else could they become experienced? Did Marciano ever say he was the best ever?
Floyd Mayweather is a different can of worms altogether. Floyd tells everyone who will listen he is the best ever. That makes him fair game for everyone. That's an invitation to one an all to discuss his greatness and every piece of F*CKERY he pulled during his career. Floyd has accomplished more in boxing than any other fighter so far, nobody can argue about that, but is he the best ever in the ring? That's under discussion.
How many atg's Floyd beat?
When did he fight them?
What were the circumstances?
How many of Floyds opponents would make it through to the top in pasts eras?
Statistics are there to serve other statistics. Attempting to ridicule one ATG to make the case for another is a slippery slope.
Not sure why Floyd is being brought into this thread...
His haters are just obsessed with him and can't stop mentioning him.
That's a bit of F*CKERY😀 known as the switcheroo!Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
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Originally Posted by GandalfGood to see you finally telling some truth about Mayweather at the end of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I have no issue with Marciano's career. He fought some bums and he fought some very good fighters. Unlike Mayweather he couldn't run up and down the weights avoiding fighters, he just fought who he could in the division available to him a little bit like Wlad does today.
Marciano was a limited HW in that he wasn't very big or tall or technical, but he always found a way and you have to respect that. I respect Mayweather in a similar way, but think he cherry picked the last decade of his career and is plain boring and ugly to watch.
You know..... Miles talks a lot of shit.
But this is an excellent post. ;D
Seriously though....
No hate... no bias... no lack of objectivity.
He gives both Marciano and Mayweather their props, but mentions their limitations also.
I guess that's what you get when you're not emotionally vested (love or hate) with a fighter.
You go.... @Gandalf !! ;D
Marciano fought mostly bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfGood to see you finally telling some truth about Mayweather at the end of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I have no issue with Marciano's career. He fought some bums and he fought some very good fighters. Unlike Mayweather he couldn't run up and down the weights avoiding fighters, he just fought who he could in the division available to him a little bit like Wlad does today.
Marciano was a limited HW in that he wasn't very big or tall or technical, but he always found a way and you have to respect that. I respect Mayweather in a similar way, but think he cherry picked the last decade of his career and is plain boring and ugly to watch.
You know..... Miles talks a lot of shit.
But this is an excellent post. ;D
Seriously though....
No hate... no bias... no lack of objectivity.
He gives both Marciano and Mayweather their props, but mentions their limitations also.
I guess that's what you get when you're not emotionally vested (love or hate) with a fighter.
You go.... @Gandalf !! ;D
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Originally Posted by ruthless roccoMarciano fought mostly bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfGood to see you finally telling some truth about Mayweather at the end of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I have no issue with Marciano's career. He fought some bums and he fought some very good fighters. Unlike Mayweather he couldn't run up and down the weights avoiding fighters, he just fought who he could in the division available to him a little bit like Wlad does today.
Marciano was a limited HW in that he wasn't very big or tall or technical, but he always found a way and you have to respect that. I respect Mayweather in a similar way, but think he cherry picked the last decade of his career and is plain boring and ugly to watch.
You know..... Miles talks a lot of shit.
But this is an excellent post. ;D
Seriously though....
No hate... no bias... no lack of objectivity.
He gives both Marciano and Mayweather their props, but mentions their limitations also.
I guess that's what you get when you're not emotionally vested (love or hate) with a fighter.
You go.... @Gandalf !! ;D
Did he ever duck anybody who was available? (Serious question)
That's what tells the story for me.
You see... if they're mostly bums, as you put it, it takes away from the necessary skill level to have remained undefeated throughout his career. But it doesn't take away from his greatness, because you have to look at him in the context of his era. Let's say he was lucky enough not to have crossed paths with someone of greater skill... or heart... or power... etc.
It takes away from his greatness because he fought very little great opposition!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoMarciano fought mostly bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfGood to see you finally telling some truth about Mayweather at the end of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I have no issue with Marciano's career. He fought some bums and he fought some very good fighters. Unlike Mayweather he couldn't run up and down the weights avoiding fighters, he just fought who he could in the division available to him a little bit like Wlad does today.
Marciano was a limited HW in that he wasn't very big or tall or technical, but he always found a way and you have to respect that. I respect Mayweather in a similar way, but think he cherry picked the last decade of his career and is plain boring and ugly to watch.
You know..... Miles talks a lot of shit.
But this is an excellent post. ;D
Seriously though....
No hate... no bias... no lack of objectivity.
He gives both Marciano and Mayweather their props, but mentions their limitations also.
I guess that's what you get when you're not emotionally vested (love or hate) with a fighter.
You go.... @Gandalf !! ;D
Did he ever duck anybody who was available? (Serious question)
That's what tells the story for me.
You see... if they're mostly bums, as you put it, it takes away from the necessary skill level to have remained undefeated throughout his career. But it doesn't take away from his greatness, because you have to look at him in the context of his era. Let's say he was lucky enough not to have crossed paths with someone of greater skill... or heart... or power... etc.
He was around in a era where there were only bums... So he can only be regarded as Undefeated King of the Bums.
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Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIt takes away from his greatness because he fought very little great opposition!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoMarciano fought mostly bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfGood to see you finally telling some truth about Mayweather at the end of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I have no issue with Marciano's career. He fought some bums and he fought some very good fighters. Unlike Mayweather he couldn't run up and down the weights avoiding fighters, he just fought who he could in the division available to him a little bit like Wlad does today.
Marciano was a limited HW in that he wasn't very big or tall or technical, but he always found a way and you have to respect that. I respect Mayweather in a similar way, but think he cherry picked the last decade of his career and is plain boring and ugly to watch.
You know..... Miles talks a lot of shit.
But this is an excellent post. ;D
Seriously though....
No hate... no bias... no lack of objectivity.
He gives both Marciano and Mayweather their props, but mentions their limitations also.
I guess that's what you get when you're not emotionally vested (love or hate) with a fighter.
You go.... @Gandalf !! ;D
Did he ever duck anybody who was available? (Serious question)
That's what tells the story for me.
You see... if they're mostly bums, as you put it, it takes away from the necessary skill level to have remained undefeated throughout his career. But it doesn't take away from his greatness, because you have to look at him in the context of his era. Let's say he was lucky enough not to have crossed paths with someone of greater skill... or heart... or power... etc.
He was around in a era where there were only bums... So he can only be regarded as Undefeated King of the Bums.
Out of curiosity.... how do you rate Wladimir Klitschko?
King of the Present Day Bums!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIt takes away from his greatness because he fought very little great opposition!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoMarciano fought mostly bums.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfGood to see you finally telling some truth about Mayweather at the end of your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I have no issue with Marciano's career. He fought some bums and he fought some very good fighters. Unlike Mayweather he couldn't run up and down the weights avoiding fighters, he just fought who he could in the division available to him a little bit like Wlad does today.
Marciano was a limited HW in that he wasn't very big or tall or technical, but he always found a way and you have to respect that. I respect Mayweather in a similar way, but think he cherry picked the last decade of his career and is plain boring and ugly to watch.
You know..... Miles talks a lot of shit.
But this is an excellent post. ;D
Seriously though....
No hate... no bias... no lack of objectivity.
He gives both Marciano and Mayweather their props, but mentions their limitations also.
I guess that's what you get when you're not emotionally vested (love or hate) with a fighter.
You go.... @Gandalf !! ;D
Did he ever duck anybody who was available? (Serious question)
That's what tells the story for me.
You see... if they're mostly bums, as you put it, it takes away from the necessary skill level to have remained undefeated throughout his career. But it doesn't take away from his greatness, because you have to look at him in the context of his era. Let's say he was lucky enough not to have crossed paths with someone of greater skill... or heart... or power... etc.
He was around in a era where there were only bums... So he can only be regarded as Undefeated King of the Bums.
Out of curiosity.... how do you rate Wladimir Klitschko?