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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?
Foreman suffered embarrassing defeats. Jimmy Young was meant to be blown out and battered George into his first retirement and then 'The Duke' was in a poor run and brought in, to make Foreman look good.
And fair enough, you do not consider the Briggs fight a defeat; so that means you must consider the Schultz fight a defeat. Now I think even Jones Jr could still beat ol' Axel. But then maybe you did not see Schultz on TV and thus rate him up there with Ali, Louis et al! ;)
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?
Foreman suffered embarrassing defeats. Jimmy Young was meant to be blown out and battered George into his first retirement and then 'The Duke' was in a poor run and brought in, to make Foreman look good.
And fair enough, you do not consider the Briggs fight a defeat; so that means you must consider the Schultz fight a defeat. Now I think even Jones Jr could still beat ol' Axel. But then maybe you did not see Schultz on TV and thus rate him up there with Ali, Louis et al! ;)
Foreman also wasted his prime years and missed out on big fights with Larry Holmes. Foreman's opponents were handpicked and he never wanted to face the best opposition in his comeback actively avoiding Lennox and Bows who were too big, young and dangerous for him.
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?
Foreman suffered embarrassing defeats. Jimmy Young was meant to be blown out and battered George into his first retirement and then 'The Duke' was in a poor run and brought in, to make Foreman look good.
And fair enough, you do not consider the Briggs fight a defeat; so that means you must consider the Schultz fight a defeat. Now I think even Jones Jr could still beat ol' Axel. But then maybe you did not see Schultz on TV and thus rate him up there with Ali, Louis et al! ;)
Foreman also wasted his prime years and missed out on big fights with Larry Holmes. Foreman's opponents were handpicked and he never wanted to face the best opposition in his comeback actively avoiding Lennox and Bows who were too big, young and dangerous for him.
he called out Tyson repeatedly and Mike said "I'M NOT FIGHTING THAT BEAST!!!"
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?
Foreman suffered embarrassing defeats. Jimmy Young was meant to be blown out and battered George into his first retirement and then 'The Duke' was in a poor run and brought in, to make Foreman look good.
And fair enough, you do not consider the Briggs fight a defeat; so that means you must consider the Schultz fight a defeat. Now I think even Jones Jr could still beat ol' Axel. But then maybe you did not see Schultz on TV and thus rate him up there with Ali, Louis et al! ;)
Foreman also wasted his prime years and missed out on big fights with Larry Holmes. Foreman's opponents were handpicked and he never wanted to face the best opposition in his comeback actively avoiding Lennox and Bows who were too big, young and dangerous for him.
he called out Tyson repeatedly and Mike said "I'M NOT FIGHTING THAT BEAST!!!"
If he did then he said it as a mark of respect. Tyson fought more dangerous fighters at the time.
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?
Foreman suffered embarrassing defeats. Jimmy Young was meant to be blown out and battered George into his first retirement and then 'The Duke' was in a poor run and brought in, to make Foreman look good.
And fair enough, you do not consider the Briggs fight a defeat; so that means you must consider the Schultz fight a defeat. Now I think even Jones Jr could still beat ol' Axel. But then maybe you did not see Schultz on TV and thus rate him up there with Ali, Louis et al! ;)
What are you talking about embarrassing defeats lol if young didn't get that knock down in the 12th it would of been a very close fight on the score cards and how the hell was the duke on a bad run he was 36-1 and the 1 lose he had he was winning on all 3 score cards before he got stopped by mercer who was unbeaten at the time. Jones Jr couldn't beat shit nowadays phenomenal talent in his prime but completely shit now he's past it, at least Forman didn't embarrass himself like Jones.
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?
Foreman suffered embarrassing defeats. Jimmy Young was meant to be blown out and battered George into his first retirement and then 'The Duke' was in a poor run and brought in, to make Foreman look good.
And fair enough, you do not consider the Briggs fight a defeat; so that means you must consider the Schultz fight a defeat. Now I think even Jones Jr could still beat ol' Axel. But then maybe you did not see Schultz on TV and thus rate him up there with Ali, Louis et al! ;)
What are you talking about embarrassing defeats lol if young didn't get that knock down in the 12th it would of been a very close fight on the score cards and how the hell was the duke on a bad run he was 36-1 and the 1 lose he had he was winning on all 3 score cards before he got stopped by mercer who was unbeaten at the time. Jones Jr couldn't beat shit nowadays phenomenal talent in his prime but completely shit now he's past it, at least Forman didn't embarrass himself like Jones.
Tommy was chosen by George for exactly the reason Morrison lost to Mercer. Tommy ran out of steam and Foreman thought he would be able to do the same. Tommy boxed Foreman's ears off.
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I agree Morrison clearly won. I just found it strange how britkid can say someone who's 36-1 and only defeat is too an undefeated fighter is on a poor run. Would love to see what he calls a good run if that's poor.
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I agree Morrison clearly won. I just found it strange how britkid can say someone who's 36-1 and only defeat is too an undefeated fighter is on a poor run. Would love to see what he calls a good run if that's poor.
Look what happened to Tommy afterwards he got stopped by Michael Bent and probably Tommy had a padded record to make him better than he really was.
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well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.
So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...
Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?
Foreman suffered embarrassing defeats. Jimmy Young was meant to be blown out and battered George into his first retirement and then 'The Duke' was in a poor run and brought in, to make Foreman look good.
And fair enough, you do not consider the Briggs fight a defeat; so that means you must consider the Schultz fight a defeat. Now I think even Jones Jr could still beat ol' Axel. But then maybe you did not see Schultz on TV and thus rate him up there with Ali, Louis et al! ;)
What are you talking about embarrassing defeats lol if young didn't get that knock down in the 12th it would of been a very close fight on the score cards and how the hell was the duke on a bad run he was 36-1 and the 1 lose he had he was winning on all 3 score cards before he got stopped by mercer who was unbeaten at the time. Jones Jr couldn't beat shit nowadays phenomenal talent in his prime but completely shit now he's past it, at least Forman didn't embarrass himself like Jones.
Numbers do not always tell the whole story. After the devastating nature of the Mercer defeat, Morrison struggled with both Joe Hipp and Carl Williams, and thus it was thought he was a safe option for Foreman to flatten.
As for Young; I know he gets a ton of kudos by the Internet community now a days, but he was an awful watch in the period. He had that shocker with Ali that got him some press and Foreman's management clearly thought if Shavers could get the job done a big Foreman KO would put further prestige on a Rumble in the Jungle rematch. The thinking was like the Morrison bout, Foreman was fighting damaged goods.
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How good was george foreman to come back and win the belt like he did...does that show how great he was as a heavyweight or do we pick on the era.
Tommy morrison beat him in the end but does the comeback george made make a difference to your top 5 heavyweight list?
Not sure what that reflects although its an interesting question. I think what he did sets him apart but I'm not sure I'd attribute it to greatness as a fighter. It almost begs the question just where was that George version in his prime? It looks impressive because of age and time off but as the old saying goes, looks are deceiving. One thing is clear though. After Jimmy Young sent him off to find God, God must have changed trainers because the old George was a much better boxer then the prime George.
But he would have to be right. He was much slower when he returned and his reflexes were eroded so he would have to concentrate on the fundamentals he learned as an amateur that he ignored in his prime through the clubbing years. Even with that his slide was pretty evident in the Moorer fight and Michael had him dead to rights.
As far as top 5, he has never appeared on mine but that comeback after 8 years most definitely gets him on a list.
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I laughed at the time. In hindsight nothing but respect for what he achieved after 10 years out of the sport while competing against a truck load of soft touches and a handful of legit top competitors. He reinvented himself mentally and physically and became a household name. Compared to some chump named Wilder today..also a Olympic medalist..Foreman did it the hard way and earned his championship.
