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Yeah it's about opinions. The question asked - who is the best and worst? We can't prove Fury is a better fighter than Lee Haskins, just that on paper he beat a more famous champion.
Fury is THE man in his division, it doesn't mean he's unbeatable or even the best fighter.
Brook, DeGale, Frampton, Quigg and Selby all operate in far, far tougher divisons than the heavyweight one.
thems the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
In his division he is the best fighter!!;D He beat and unbeatable top ten all time great in his home town easy. Tyson is easily the best fighter in Britain hard to swallow as it is for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Do any of the others really stand a chance at beating the best in their divisions?
The fighters you mentioned may fight in more competative divisions but have they beaten the best n their division? Are they capable of it? De Gale was lucky to get past Bute! Does Brook really stand a chance against Pacquiao? Frampton amd Quigg would beat Rigo???
"Opinions versus fact."Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOpinions versus fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44oooffffQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Opinions are like assholes everyones got one.
Fact is, Fury is the only fighter that is universally recognised as the best in his division and beat the best to get there.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle Black! 😂😂😂😂
I can't stand DeGale, but he's more than capable of beating Badou Jack, who else is there that he wouldn't be favoured against?And why can't Brook beat Pacquiao? He might lose to Thurman, Bradley or Spence, but he could beat Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIn his division he is the best fighter!!;D He beat and unbeatable top ten all time great in his home town easy. Tyson is easily the best fighter in Britain hard to swallow as it is for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Do any of the others really stand a chance at beating the best in their divisions?
The fighters you mentioned may fight in more competative divisions but have they beaten the best n their division? Are they capable of it? De Gale was lucky to get past Bute! Does Brook really stand a chance against Pacquiao? Frampton amd Quigg would beat Rigo???
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIn his division he is the best fighter!!;D He beat and unbeatable top ten all time great in his home town easy. Tyson is easily the best fighter in Britain hard to swallow as it is for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Do any of the others really stand a chance at beating the best in their divisions?
The fighters you mentioned may fight in more competative divisions but have they beaten the best n their division? Are they capable of it? De Gale was lucky to get past Bute! Does Brook really stand a chance against Pacquiao? Frampton amd Quigg would beat Rigo???
Bute/Dirrell are superior boxers to Wlad. Quigg and Frampton are in a division with Rigo and Donaire. Superior boxers to Wlad. Brook doesn't just have Pac but also Bradley, Thurman, Porter, Khan, Spence etc, all superior boxers to Wlad. Lee Selby has Loma, Russell jr, Santa Cruz etc.
Most of these guys are in or around the P4P top ten. Neither Fury or any other heavyweight is. (check The RING mag)
Tyson is the best fighter in the UK in your OPINION not mine. Tyson isn't even the best heavyweight in my opinion.
This is the definitive order
Frampton
Quigg
Selby
Brook
degale
Fury
Smith
Flanaghan
Crolla
saunders
mcdonnel
haskins
They might, they maybe? They havent Tyson has!Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI can't stand DeGale, but he's more than capable of beating Badou Jack, who else is there that he wouldn't be favoured against?And why can't Brook beat Pacquiao? He might lose to Thurman, Bradley or Spence, but he could beat Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossJesus christ! Hes the man in the division, best fighter until someone beats him!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
In his division he is the best fighter!!;D He beat and unbeatable top ten all time great in his home town easy. Tyson is easily the best fighter in Britain hard to swallow as it is for you!
Do any of the others really stand a chance at beating the best in their divisions?
The fighters you mentioned may fight in more competative divisions but have they beaten the best n their division? Are they capable of it? De Gale was lucky to get past Bute! Does Brook really stand a chance against Pacquiao? Frampton amd Quigg would beat Rigo???
Your opinion is shit then. Who did you thnk was the best before Wlad v Fury?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIn his division he is the best fighter!!;D He beat and unbeatable top ten all time great in his home town easy. Tyson is easily the best fighter in Britain hard to swallow as it is for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Do any of the others really stand a chance at beating the best in their divisions?
The fighters you mentioned may fight in more competative divisions but have they beaten the best n their division? Are they capable of it? De Gale was lucky to get past Bute! Does Brook really stand a chance against Pacquiao? Frampton amd Quigg would beat Rigo???
Bute/Dirrell are superior boxers to Wlad. Quigg and Frampton are in a division with Rigo and Donaire. Superior boxers to Wlad. Brook doesn't just have Pac but also Bradley, Thurman, Porter, Khan, Spence etc, all superior boxers to Wlad. Lee Selby has Loma, Russell jr, Santa Cruz etc.
Most of these guys are in or around the PPV top ten. Neither Fury or any other heavyweight is. (check The RING mag)
Tyson is the best fighter in the UK in your OPINION not mine. Tyson isn't even the best heavyweight in my opinion.
To become the best you have to beat the best.
Also, they may be able t beat them but until they do they havent and therefe cant claim to be the best in their division like Tyson can.
You mugs!
How many times do I have to say Tyson is THE man of the division. The head of it. That is not in dispute.
It has absolutely no bearing whatsover on whether he is a better fighter than any of the other Brit champs. They are in different divisions.
He won a boring fight against a boring champion in a weak division. I never rated Wlad so why would I start now? I always said he benefited from having Vitali as a tag team partner. And I always said Vitali would beat him. Wlad only became THE man when Vitali retired. Therefore all this "10 year reign" shit is really just three years.
Toby.
Yes same as Holmes. He only held one title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
just let me challenge someQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
crolla is above saunders yet crolla has lost to some less than amazing fighters where as saunders has looked pretty good, at least beating all the best british fights and generally quite comfortably
Selby is above brook yet Selby hasn't really beaten a fighter in his division as highly regarded as the fighter brook beat for the world title
Frampton is above quigg and quigg just beat a fighter in 2 rounds that Frampton has been 22 rounds with
and fury is in 6th, yet fury is the only fighter considered "the man" in his division, easily beating a long standing 10 year champion lb4lb ATG top 10 in his own back yard
ha ha ahaahha ah haa hah aha h a ;D
I was just messing with that last one
I can tell you are at work because you have too much time on your hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44just let me challenge someQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
crolla is above saunders yet crolla has lost to some less than amazing fighters where as saunders has looked pretty good, at least beating all the best british fights and generally quite comfortably
Selby is above brook yet Selby hasn't really beaten a fighter in his division as highly regarded as the fighter brook beat for the world title
Frampton is above quigg and quigg just beat a fighter in 2 rounds that Frampton has been 22 rounds with
and fury is in 6th, yet fury is the only fighter considered "the man" in his division, easily beating a long standing 10 year champion lb4lb ATG top 10 in his own back yard
ha ha ahaahha ah haa hah aha h a ;D
I was just messing with that last one
Lee Haskins is possibly the greatest P4p fighter of all time not really fair to have him on the list.
So, when Leon Spinks beat Ali, he was asked straight after the fight. "Leon, you've just beaten Muhammad Ali , are you now The Greatest?"Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThey might, they maybe? They havent Tyson has!Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI can't stand DeGale, but he's more than capable of beating Badou Jack, who else is there that he wouldn't be favoured against?And why can't Brook beat Pacquiao? He might lose to Thurman, Bradley or Spence, but he could beat Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossJesus christ! Hes the man in the division, best fighter until someone beats him!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
In his division he is the best fighter!!;D He beat and unbeatable top ten all time great in his home town easy. Tyson is easily the best fighter in Britain hard to swallow as it is for you!
Do any of the others really stand a chance at beating the best in their divisions?
The fighters you mentioned may fight in more competative divisions but have they beaten the best n their division? Are they capable of it? De Gale was lucky to get past Bute! Does Brook really stand a chance against Pacquiao? Frampton amd Quigg would beat Rigo???
Your opinion is shit then. Who did you thnk was the best before Wlad v Fury?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterExactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIn his division he is the best fighter!!;D He beat and unbeatable top ten all time great in his home town easy. Tyson is easily the best fighter in Britain hard to swallow as it is for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Do any of the others really stand a chance at beating the best in their divisions?
The fighters you mentioned may fight in more competative divisions but have they beaten the best n their division? Are they capable of it? De Gale was lucky to get past Bute! Does Brook really stand a chance against Pacquiao? Frampton amd Quigg would beat Rigo???
Bute/Dirrell are superior boxers to Wlad. Quigg and Frampton are in a division with Rigo and Donaire. Superior boxers to Wlad. Brook doesn't just have Pac but also Bradley, Thurman, Porter, Khan, Spence etc, all superior boxers to Wlad. Lee Selby has Loma, Russell jr, Santa Cruz etc.
Most of these guys are in or around the PPV top ten. Neither Fury or any other heavyweight is. (check The RING mag)
Tyson is the best fighter in the UK in your OPINION not mine. Tyson isn't even the best heavyweight in my opinion.
To become the best you have to beat the best.
Also, they may be able t beat them but until they do they havent and therefe cant claim to be the best in their division like Tyson can.
You mugs!
Spinks replied "No, Ali will always be the Greatest, I'm just the Latest!"
What he really Should've said is " Well Ross says I am , so I must be!"
Ross, you're a fucking Clown, not much else to say really.
Happy New Year and keep enjoying the Circus!
@erics44, have you actually said who you think is the best, without the if's , but's and maybe's? 😉😂